Forum MVP gr8fulpair Posted April 7 Forum MVP Report Share Posted April 7 4-29-71 Hard To Handle, Filmore East. So after listening to this version of HTH for the umptenth time, I am professing this is some of Jerry’s best work. Still get chills all the way. He slays every nuance of this song. Pig is spot on. The band is in sync. I’d really love some honest feedback on this and songs/versions you think are better AND WHY? I wanna learn, but can’t get past how fucking good that is. (Ed is gonna bust my balls about his fav but I leave it to the experts…., you fine folks, ha!) please, you have to listen before responding, it’s on archive or ladies and gentlemen the Grateful Dead release. You won’t regret the time spent, lol. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Tea Posted April 7 Forum MVP Report Share Posted April 7 4/29/71 - height of their powers ? Really close. That whole Fillmore run was a masterpiece or a masterclass - same difference. HTH epitomized that in spades - no denyin. If we just talkin about HTH, then you gotta put 8/6/71 in the final. Do not pass go. The 2 Heavyweights. One aspect I will concede would be Pigs delivery. He was not well at the time - and while 8/6 is still wild and wolly, I’ll give 4/29 the nod there. Jerrys licks? You take those 2 shows and you got some of his best stuff encapsulated. A literal push in my eyes. The difference that puts 8/6 over the top? Atmosphere. That recording with the crowd reacting and then playin the band? It’s a fucking Time Machine and It’s some of the best vibes ever put out with crowd reacting in time! That aspect is the veritable royal flush that trumps your 4 aces 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Rude Posted April 7 Forum MVP Report Share Posted April 7 Pass the whiskey round. Like serious. You drunk mother fuckers ate hogging it all. 4/29/71 is just too short. Sorry. 9 minutes isn’t enough to tell a tale. For non heads 9 minutes is extremism but it leaves too much on the table for me. on the 8/6/71 I have 4 sources from the John A mega drive but only 3 have the hard to handle as dicks picks volume 35 excludes it so I need to listen to all 3 but not sure 7:48 will do it either. Did the dead not play a 15 min hard to handle? Has Dso played an expanded one? I’m sorta confused. I thought there were many really long ones but I can’t seem to find any. I guess I never really think about the length of a few songs. Good lord I need to listen to more shows again but I get “no dance daddy. No dance”. We aren’t dancing. I’m playing music. “No dance daddy!!!!!!” Peace. Bed calls 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Ammagamalin Crew Posted April 7 Forum MVP Report Share Posted April 7 Encouraged and somewhat challenged, I started with the 5:10 min from 3/15/69 and the last 7:32 from 8/26/71 and listened going back and and forth from these bookends quickly realizing that you two have found the most enjoyable H2H's. (I'm open to any others from the mega drive search)Thanks for the lead though because I got to see how quickly Keith came in to play and understand the introduction of the 5 new songs in consideration of Pigpen's lost material. The five new ones became as paramount from 71-79 as pigpen's were from 65-71 and then similarly with Brent's new material from 79-90. Not so with Vince's 90-95. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP John A Posted April 8 Forum MVP Report Share Posted April 8 8/6/71 - and dear lord, it's an AUD! Jaw dropping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP bs69 Posted April 9 Forum MVP Report Share Posted April 9 8-6-71 Rob Berenstein (probably have his name wrong someone please correct me) version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Tea Posted April 9 Forum MVP Report Share Posted April 9 Small sample-size gra8fulpair, but the debate may not be a debate for much longer 😁 I listened to 4/29 again last night and it sounded technically perfect and still blistering. In it's totality as a show, I think 4/29 edges 8/6 based on quality of play and breadth of song selections. But the rawness and rowdiness of the 8/6 HTH wins by a nose in a photo finish. While all of 8/6 is worthy of mention, The Cumberland, HTH, and most importantly: The ~28M segment featuring Truckin > Drums > Other One > Me & My Uncle > Other One is simply lights out. Right there with anything they ever did up to that point. My honorable mention HTH is 6/21/71 while the grateful dead were on holiday in France (an obvious harbinger of E72). This version is fantastic in it's own right. Here's an video excerpt of the show that's pretty cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWbzmRBU6Lg All hail Voodoonola 🫡 unless he's a jerk in real life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Tea Posted April 9 Forum MVP Report Share Posted April 9 11 hours ago, bs69 said: 8-6-71 Rob Berenstein (probably have his name wrong someone please correct me) version His name is Rob Bertrando. Here's who you were thinking of: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP gr8fulpair Posted April 10 Author Forum MVP Report Share Posted April 10 10 hours ago, Tea said: Small sample-size gra8fulpair, but the debate may not be a debate for much longer 😁 I listened to 4/29 again last night and it sounded technically perfect and still blistering. In it's totality as a show, I think 4/29 edges 8/6 based on quality of play and breadth of song selections. But the rawness and rowdiness of the 8/6 HTH wins by a nose in a photo finish. While all of 8/6 is worthy of mention, The Cumberland, HTH, and most importantly: The ~28M segment featuring Truckin > Drums > Other One > Me & My Uncle > Other One is simply lights out. Right there with anything they ever did up to that point. My honorable mention HTH is 6/21/71 while the grateful dead were on holiday in France (an obvious harbinger of E72). This version is fantastic in it's own right. Here's an video excerpt of the show that's pretty cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWbzmRBU6Lg All hail Voodoonola 🫡 unless he's a jerk in real life Ed, stop fucking up my fantasies with your interesting facts and expert analysis. Wouldn’t it just be easier to agree with me and I’d just crawl back under my rock with my soundboard of 4/29/71. 😎😅😳 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP PoetryGirl Posted April 11 Forum MVP Report Share Posted April 11 I’d throw the bass tracks Phil so heftily lay down in counterpoint to Jerry’s dirty licks after a hungry full on Pig rap on 4/18:71 into the ring. What a jam. I’d scramble some eggs on that dance floor. Nonetheless the only thing so terrible about 4/29 is when it’s over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LangeradoSoul Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 Favorite Grateful Dead Hard to Handle: 8/6/1971: https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1971/08/06?source=335844 2/13/1970: https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1970/02/13?source=88525 12/31/1982: https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1982/12/31?source=339414 Favorite non DSO post Grateful Dead Hard to Handles: Phil Lesh Quintet: 12/31/2001: https://relisten.net/phil-lesh/2001/12/31?source=63070 Midnight Hour*> Hard to Handle* w/Susan Tedeschi Furthur: 3/12/2010: https://relisten.net/furthur/2010/03/12?source=12144 Viola Lee Blues> High Time> Caution jam> Viola Lee Blues> Hard to Handle*> w/Chris Robinson Viola Lee Blues 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Greg from Chestertown Posted April 11 Forum MVP Report Share Posted April 11 The version of the spooky old Tree done by the Berenstain Bears is better than any hard to handle. My favorite book to read my kids back in the day. ….back in bed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP gr8fulpair Posted April 11 Author Forum MVP Report Share Posted April 11 6 hours ago, LangeradoSoul said: Favorite Grateful Dead Hard to Handle: 8/6/1971: https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1971/08/06?source=335844 2/13/1970: https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1970/02/13?source=88525 12/31/1982: https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1982/12/31?source=339414 Favorite non DSO post Grateful Dead Hard to Handles: Phil Lesh Quintet: 12/31/2001: https://relisten.net/phil-lesh/2001/12/31?source=63070 Midnight Hour*> Hard to Handle* w/Susan Tedeschi Furthur: 3/12/2010: https://relisten.net/furthur/2010/03/12?source=12144 Viola Lee Blues> High Time> Caution jam> Viola Lee Blues> Hard to Handle*> w/Chris Robinson Viola Lee Blues Non-Pig HTHs do not qualify, haha. With all due respect in that 82 version Etta James sounds terrible. I don’t hate the Tower of Power horns in there, but don’t love them either. Both of those elements are totally incongruous to the character of the song. it does however appear I’m fighting a losing battle against 8-6-71 so I’ll concede the debate but won’t change my opinion. Maybe I could arm wrestle Ed into submission and get him to sell everybody on 4-29-71, yeah that’s the ticket! 😂🤣😅 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP bs69 Posted April 12 Forum MVP Report Share Posted April 12 On 4/9/2024 at 10:27 AM, Tea said: His name is Rob Bertrando. Here's who you were thinking of: You are correct sir and the sequence you mention is stellar. I actually listen to that show often as my Friday morning finish off the week show at work, great Dew also. After this a discussion of best Sugaree is in order 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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