Advisory Board Herdygerdy Posted March 14, 2013 Advisory Board Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 I just myself a Springfield XD .45 ACP for my birthday and WOW... first time in a while I've been in a gun store and the pickin's are slim!! Because of all this bullshit gun laws that are being threatened to pass, gun shops are being cleaned out by paranoid gun owners...Granted I can't pick up my gun for 7 days, but get this... the Maryland State Police are so backed up with backround checks for gun applications, it's gonna take ma a minimum of 45 days to get my gun now...ouch!! I understand the wait to make sure you aren't selling to a crazy asshole, but fuck man... I want my piece in 7 days... not 45!! Ammo is almost impossible to find these days... The best place to find cheap ammo is www,cheaperthendirt.com and almost ALL calibers of ammo is out of stock... NEVER seen that... EVER!!! .22's, .25's, .32's, 9mm, are all SOLD OUT! ALL brands!! That's just crazy!! The local Walmarts and Dick's sporting goods stores are all sold out of common ammuntion!! You used to be able to buy bricks (brick = 100 rounds per box) of .22 anywhere, now I can't find them anywhere... ANYWHERE... scary stuffi if you ask me.. Oh well... I'm just venting my frustration... ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducats Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 hand guns are made for killin aint no good for nothin else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taper Ron Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 You're right Herdy SCARY! Yesterday: Herkimer, NY -- Four people are dead and two wounded after a man opened fire in a car wash and a barber shop in neighboring Herkimer County villages this morning, according to news reports. December 14: Newtown Connecticut School ShootingAdam Lanza, 20, shot and killed his mother, then, with at least three of her guns, drove her car to the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., where he opened fire killing 26 people, 20 of th... December 12: Clackamas Town Center ShootingJacob Tyler Roberts, 22, stole a rifle from an acquaintance, and went to the Clackamas Town Center mall in Clackamas, Ore., with a semi-automatic AR-15 rifle and several fully loaded magazines and ope... November 6: Valley Protein ShootingAt about 8:30 a.m. parolee Lawrence Jones, 42, opened fire at the Fresno, Calif., Valley Protein poultry-processing plant where he worked. He shot two men in the head killing them, and shot two others... October 21: Azana Spa shootingsRadcliffe Haughton, 45, of Brookfield, Wis., accused of domestic violence and of slashing his wife's tires, armed himself, went to the spa where she worked, and shot seven women, killing three, before... September 27: Accent Signage Systems ShootingsIn Minnesota's deadliest workplace shooting, disgruntled employee Andrew Engeldinge, 36, went to his job at Minneapolis' Accent Signage Systems carrying a Glock 9mm and two magazines of ammunition. He... August 31: PathMark Shooting, Oak Bridge, N.J.Ex-Marine Terence Tyler, 22, opened fire at the Old Bridge, N.J., Pathmark supermarket where he worked. Tyler and about 12 others were working an overnight shift in preparation for the Labor Day rush,... August 24: Empire State Building ShootingNewly-fired, disgruntled employee Jeffrey Johnson, 58, approached the man who fired him on the street at West 33rd street, outside the Empire State Building, pulled out a .45 caliber pistol and shot h... August 5: Sikh Temple ShootingEx-Army Psy-Ops Specialist Wade Michael Page, 40, went to the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in Oak Creek, and opened fire on the congregation as they prepared for services, killing six. He engaged police i... July 20: Aurora Colorado Theater ShootingsJames Holmes attended a midnight screening of the Batman film The Dark Knight Rises, his hair dyed reddish orange. About 20 minutes into the film, he stood up, set off tear-gas grenades and opened fir... May 29: Seattle Cafe Shooting SpreeGenerally disgruntled person Ian Stawicki opened fire at Seattle's Café Racer Espresso at about 11 a.m., killing four. Two people were killed immediately, two died at the hospital. About thirty minute... April 2: Oikos University ShootingAround 10:30 a.m. One L. Goh, 43, a Korean national and expelled Oikos University nursing student, returned to the Christian school reportedly to kill the administrator, but when he couldn't find him ... February 27: Chardon High School ShootingSocial outcast Thomas "T.J." Lane, 17, a student at the Lake Academy Alternative School for at risk youth, reportedly entered the cafeteria at the Chardon High School, in Chardon, Ohio, around 7:30 a.... March 30: Miami Funeral Home ShootingA gunman in North Miami, Fla., drove by and fired on a crowd of mourners, mostly young people, at around 9:30 p.m., gathered outside the Funeraria Latina Emanuel funeral home for the funeral of Marvin... February 21: Su Jung Health Sauna shootingAround 9 p.m. Jeong Soo Paek, who had earlier been asked to leave the Su Jung Health Sauna in Norcross, Ga., for being disruptive, returned, shooting and killing four: his sisters and their husbands. ... March 8: Western Psych ShootingOn March 8, gunman John Shick opened fire at Western Psychiatric Institute & Clinic of at the University of Pennsylvania Medical Center, injuring five and killing one. When police arrived, Shick fired...Report a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sudds94 Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Guns suck and the crazy bastards that kill people for shits and giggles suck even more! Scary world we live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Tom Banjo Posted March 14, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 I'm not sure Herdy wanted to open this can of worms. This issue, for me, probably embodies this statement attributed to Winston Churchill best. "If you're not liberal when you're young, you have no heart. If you're not conservative when you're older, you have no brain." As a high school student and even as young student at Georgetown, I was 100% in favor of gun control. I wanted to disarm the American public and in all seriousness, the world. I had decided that guns were partially responsible for the dangerous, bloody world we live in. I chose to interpret the 2nd Amendment based around the statement "in order to maintain a well regulated militia." I argued that because we no longer maintain state militias that the 2nd Amendment is essentially null and void. I can not recall the Supreme Court case mentioned by Caroline Kennedy in her work In Our Defense, but there is a Supreme Court ruling that echoes the sentiment stated here. The ruling allowed for individual towns or cities to outlaw gun possession. I lived in one such city, Washington D.C. The outlawing of gun possession may sound wonderful, but if we look into the statistics, DC will not help the cause and gun violence prevails whether you outlaw guns or not. Now, I am fervently in favor of gun ownership, the right to bear arms, and everything and anything 2nd Amendment. Hell, I interpret the Constitution in a very strict manner. The US government has 19 enumerated powers and no more. The 9th and 10th Amendments leave the rest of the regulating and legislating to the people and the state respectively. I guess I should say now that I do not think the US gov't or the way we live operates in a Constitutional manner. Our courts have failed to protect us and honor the Bill of Rights or Constitution. My youthful contest really has no bearing as we should be maintaining state militias. The fact of the matter is the US military and the police represent giant standing armies, larger than those of any other nation. These armies are the greatest threat to your liberty. We should all be trained and associated with a state or even more localized militia. Furthermore, attempts to disarm the public throughout history have led to great atrocities and further subjugation of the people, just look at Nazi Germany. The 2nd Amendment and the right to bear arms is an essential right in protecting yourself from both individual threats, but also the threat represented by your own government. Remember these people very much believed in the right to revolution. They had just fought one to rid themselves of a less oppressive regime than the one we find ourselves in now. A big difference must be noted that we have representation and they did not. Don't get me wrong, I have not abandoned all my liberal ideas and thinking relating to guns. I find the sale of firearms, especially, military styled firearms for profit to be sickening. The fact that many here in America and especially around the world struggle to feed themselves while some fat cats get rich distributing and making firearms plain sucks. These guys get rich and have incentive for perpetual war. They make deals that are in the grey areas of our laws and the laws of other nations. Bribes and other scandalous behavior are common and widespread in this business and the US weapons manufactures are the greatest benefactors of war and insurrection throughout the world. If we sell weapons for profit, we will never have great enough incentive for peace. On a side note, let's give Herdy his weapon and all watch Doomsday Preppers. Those guys are acquiring enough arms for a small army. When shit hits the fan, for any of the myriad reasons offered in the show, these guys are prepared with guns and food. Some will welcome you in and some will shoot you out. One thing they all seem to agree on is things are only going to get uglier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Teacher Matt Posted March 14, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 it is no different than it was 20 years ago, 40 years ago, or 130 years ago in the old west .... all the data posted above is just because you have access to the information on the internet... guns kill today, yesterday, and 100 years ago ..... I have never held a gun in my hands, never shot a gun, owned a gun, etc etc ... but if you want to have one I could care less because nothing I do or say will change that .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Mango Posted March 14, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Doomsday Preppers? Ya know, there is a lot of research done and being done that suggests that our thoughts, intentions, have great power. If everyone thinks this way, this is what we will get. Do I think guns should be outlawed?? No. I think any such laws are generally wrong. Do I think I need a handgun? Fuck no. Give me a reason other than fear and I'll consider it. Let's not act out of fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Rude Posted March 14, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 HEHE Herdy. I have a Springfield XDM .40. I love it . Ammo is scarce though, b/c the gun lobby has scared people so badly that Obama may not be able to ban guns but he wants to ban bullets. Also wars dont help considering the ammo companies are sending almost all rounds overseas. My gun stays in my home. I wont be a victim of a home invasion by some crackhead. I know most deadheads are anti gun but they are a fact of life in this country and I will protect myself in my castle. Also lets not forget the potential for a zombie apocalypse. Thats what is really scary!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 since the can of worms has been opened i just want to say .................... and .............................. but mostly ...................... man it feels good to have gotten that off my chest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Tea Posted March 14, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 ^^^ Well said - although you could have been a bit less long-winded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgrmag2564 Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 The Second Amendment, in my opinion was penned mostly due to The British seizing privately owned firearms from colonists. The writers of the Bill of Rights thought it so important that it is the Second Amendment after Religion, Speech, Press, and Petition the Gov't. To me, the most important amendments are the 9th and 10th, putting most of the power in the hands of the states and the people of those states. This is the essence of our great country, if you don't like the laws of a state, don't live there. If you like more exclusive gun laws move to a state that has more restrictions. I still say if there were more legally armed sane people around, a lot less of us would die due to a nut job blowing a gasket, nut jobs would die long before they get a chance to kill 20 or 30 people. Peace, Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Tom Banjo Posted March 14, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 The first and second amendment basically outline the appropriate track to armed revolt. Speak, go public, petition for redress, and then revolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Charlie Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Since this can of worms is open, I think we should all grab our poles and head on down to the fishing hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Mike Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Interesting issue, as many issues are. I still don't think I understand the issue as much as I really should, but this is what I have gathered so far: I tend to not base my opinion too heavily on the wording of the 2nd amendment. Yes I believe there is a pretty clear, rational intention for why they created the 2nd amendment. It is only a sentence long. Now, I do think there was reason why they left the bill of rights vague, but that is a whole different story. Anyways, the modern day contains a wide spectrum of interpretations of what the forefathers' intentions were when writing the 2nd amendment. The interpretation seems to be heavily contingent upon one's preconceived beliefs. Cultural relativism is perplexing, and brings into a lot of philosophical work I'm not familiar with. Geographically looking at how guns play a role in the world is very interesting. Latin America has had a tremendous homicide problem develop in the late 20th century. There are many precipitating factors that have lead to this increase in murders in Latin America, and yes a good percentage of these murders are carried out by the use of a firearm. From what I understand most of this is not because of gun laws, for most of the guns that come into Latin America do so through the illegal gun trade. Latin America arguably has less infrastructure than us (we have the ATF) and corruption (well yeah everyone has that, but Latin America is significantly worse). The factors that have lead to an increase in homicide in Latin America differ greatly from the motive of most murderers in the United States. The United States is in a strange position. Yes we have more guns per capita than any other country and some of the highest gun homicide rates; there is some correlation between these two variables. I find it interesting, that from what I understand studies have shown that the main catalyst for murder in the United States is, as best I can put it, psychological distress. The most common firearm related death in the United States is when someone takes their own life, not when one takes another's. Thankfully things have gotten better historically. I can confidently say I will probably never own a gun. Have shot them before, and I can see why people enjoy them. To understand the gun issue it can become complex. The laws on guns are very specific and as you all know, they very greatly from state to state. There are certain issues I think, like the "Gun Show Loophole", should be addressed in the states that have not already. I don't really have much of an opinion beyond that. I don't know if that is an okay thing? Be kind to your neighbors, buy strangers flowers. I know all you guys know it, but yes be a good person! Although I guess I'm okay with telling someone to fuck off. As long as it is all in good reason. Looking back at everything I just typed I feel there is not much progress in my thoughts but will post it anyways. I will maybe do some more reading. It's just so very hard to figure out these moral dilemmas. I'll keep thinking about it. When you get it, have fun with it Herdy. I know we've only met briefly, but I'm confident you'll keep the streets of Maryland safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Mango Posted March 15, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 As long as there is hate and fear in people's hearts, they will kill other people. The only kind of gun I would ever own would be a rifle, and I would only use it under the most dire of circumstances. I'll take my chances with no gun, and a positive outlook instead. Call me crazy, it's a crazy world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advisory Board Herdygerdy Posted March 15, 2013 Author Advisory Board Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Gun's dont kill people, people kill people... Guns are just a tool used to kill... If someone wants to kill someone, they will find a way.. sure guns make it easier to do so, but you can't blame the tool when it's the person behind it... I'm a pretty liberal person, but I am a gun lover.. I like to shoot, and if need be, I want to be able to defend myself, my home, and my loved ones.. The whole gun control tihng is like the war on drugs... totally pointless... Controlling or banning firearms won't do anything, except leave the law abiding citizens that are responsble with firearms with nothing... Criminals will get the guns, weither they are legal or not.. You think a bank robber, or murderer, or any criminal goes to the gun store to buy the weapon that is used in the crime? no way in hell, they buy them off the black market.. You can not control the criminals getting the guns! Period! Y'all can lambast me all you want, but I believe in the 2nd ammentment, the way it was written.. so what if it's 200 years old and was written for issues for that time.. It is still apart of our constitution, and the more we change it to take away certain freedoms, the easier it is to change other ammenments like freedom of speech, or freedom of religion, ect.. This country is going to hell in a bucket, and I'm not enjoying the ride.. The way this world is spinning out of control, I will be happy knowing that I am safer with my guns at my side... I'm certainly not a doomsday prepper of any sort, but if the shit does hit the fan, I want to be somewhat ready... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Mango Posted March 15, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Ugh. I hate this topic....Herdy, you're right, guns aren't the root of the problem- People are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advisory Board blythalala Posted March 15, 2013 Advisory Board Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 it's a given that stricter gun laws won't stop guns from getting into the wrong hands, but no one can possibly argue that fewer guns--registered guns in homes, unregistered guns on the streets, wherever--won't mean less harm caused by guns. also not up for debate: in places with more firearms, there are more homicides. facts, not big government advertising. i understand that we're never going to be able to get rid of legal guns in this country, so i'll take the assault weapon ban and mandated extensive background checks. but i think rick's younger version is right on when it comes to legality: the second amendment has nothing to do with this conversation--the one we're having in 2013. and hey, if we existed in a country where we still needed to be concerned with maintaining private militia, maybe i'd even want a musket for myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducats Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 hand guns are made for killin aint no good for nothin else well it was nice to read everybodys thoughts. wanted to reply specifically to a few but never could figure out how to without having those LONG posts reappear. tried to "reply to this topic" just now (like I think i did the first time?) but it would'nt let me? anyhow; i'm a true conservative. right of the NRA. i was against Nancy's war on drugs not because i was acid taking dead touring, but because i'm a conservative-take all the heroin u want fat man, alot of people died so you could. but, for the life of me i can't figure out why you gun lovers can't help us out for a while and just put the guns away - at least till we figure this shit out. just think about it for us for a while - and maybe think about that classroom full of kids all shot up while your doing it. i get furious thinking about it. can't get my head around or even tolerate the other side. your like a joke (bad one obviously) to me. its not about you or your stinckin rights, it's about those kids in that classroom. don't be so selfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Mango Posted March 16, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Wow ducats, more than just a sly one liner- I'm impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP comesatime Posted March 16, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 the thing is , only good people would put the guns away , not the bad ,,,,,,, and the bad are vicious . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advisory Board Herdygerdy Posted March 16, 2013 Author Advisory Board Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Hey Ducats... I didn't shoot those kids up... why should I be punished for someone elses actions?? Maybe the next time some kills a bus load full of kids because they were drunk we should go back to prohibition.. Mike, you are dead on my friend.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP FunkyBass13 Posted March 16, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 I agree with Herdy 100% that guns are simply a tool for people to use. The problem will not be solved by making more laws restricting guns. It will be solved, though not completely, by stricter punishments and actual ENFORCEMENT of the laws. The strict enforcement is what is lacking right now. However........ I simply cannot get over the fact that 85% of all CHILDREN who die from a gun, die in the United States of America. To me, that is a big, big problem and I don't know how you stop that...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP FunkyBass13 Posted March 16, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 I agree with Herdy 100% that guns are simply a tool for people to use. The problem will not be solved by making more laws restricting guns. It will be solved, though not completely, by stricter punishments and actual ENFORCEMENT of the laws. The strict enforcement is what is lacking right now. However........ I simply cannot get over the fact that 85% of all CHILDREN who die from a gun, die in the United States of America. To me, that is a big, big problem and I don't know how you stop that...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP FunkyBass13 Posted March 16, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Oooop, stupid double click Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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