Forum MVP Supplicated Velvet Thunder Posted January 20, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 I wasn't feeling so great, but felt better than I did when they played Denver last week and couldn't make it so I resolved that wild horses couldn't keep me away (a very Coloradan concern) so even though Ariel had to work, our roomie gave me a ride. It was so special and magical to reconnect w the Colorado DSO fam and fans.... So wonderful after escaping CA and the dance competition (shit, LIFE competition) vibe so many are fond of there and simply feel a room of non judgemental heads coming together to dance and laugh and enjoy the music for exactly what it is worth. The place came alive and I found myself surrounded by some of my FAVORITE women on the planet for most of the show. Magical and simply groovy. Was great to see Rick and Jenna since Rick introduced me to most of you way back when and has always been a good friend. I loved looking a across the front to see her spinning and him grooving along on the other side and seeing those other familiar CO faces in joy in between. Felt like DSO even if only one guy on the stage was the same...... Ha, when the drummer, Jake Wolf (one of the most kindhearted dead musicians alive) announced in the spirit of winterland that it was Robs birthday I almost died in a giggle attack bc I knew from posts on these forums it wasn't BUT was soooooo stoked he got the happy birthday he had so wanted back then that I could hardly contain my dork star joy... Fucking priceless, people! Wish you all coulda been there! Ok, setlist. I swore the first time I saw these guys at statebridge two years ago that I would take setlist at their shows from now on bc they deserve it, so, true to my word, here we go. jam (was this some winterland jam or just a tuning jam, I dunno) Shakedown cold rain n snow jack straw ramble on rose loser uncle dark star v 1>TLEO (fast) BTW Cumberland NFA>GDTRFD>NFA China>rider GSET Scarlet eyes>drums>other one v 1>st Stephen>China doll>terrapin (starting at INSPIRATION!) Around n around encore: Casey Jones I heard the cold rain coming from the start but really enjoyed the jam and shakedown got ppl moving. ah, cold rain and snow, indeed! Jack straw put us in gear so we could all ramble along w Rose, gosh i love that song! Loser really felt good and uncle always gets the co ppl going. DARK STAR made fans move back and heads shift front (as usual) and when it cut into a lively TLEO in started to feel like we were scanning thru the winterland radio station, oh yeah! The BTW was just exactly what I wanted to hear in tribute to Mango and w Cumberland to follow I was so happy I don't have to go back again. ain't taking no ones shift anymore. Jake reminded us how much RMGDR loves us all which let us know NFA was coming and that GDTRFD really excited me to the core andadee.dance harder than I should. sold a few patches as setbreak and had pleasant idle chatter w friends old and New. I heard the China rider at the end of first set so was stoked it opened 2nd. Don't gotta wish I was a headlight cause I AM! no show is complete without GSET for me, and that scarlet was well past due in my life and I got to shake hands w a stranger that had happily noticed me taking setlist. Eyes was great and everyone talked about jakes drum solo alllll night. Other one came out of it just exactly perfect and when they got to the "wrap the babe in scarlet covers" line I cried cause of the baby growing in my womb, will def never hear that line the same again! Thanks! And China doll made me take my hair down and cry cause I am so grateful to be here in CO wy fractured pieces all realigning. Even the lil offness of timing here and elsewhere were forgivable and just made the night special. When they went straight to Inspiration I'm terrapin I got the whole "excerpts" vibe and loved it (didn't have my fan anyway so it was just as well) and if it couldn't be sugar mags, around n around is just what I wanted. Casey jones to end and I reveled in my last whirling moments up front til DSO comes to me in March. Gonna blow all my troubles away (not that I have any atm, I have never neem more Zen in my whole life!) Thanks for a great show, band and fans. That was a night I reaaaaaaally needed. Won't be making it outta CO much for a while w the lil one coming and my attempts to relegitimize my life, but all good things in a good time. Kisses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Mango Posted January 20, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 don't trash California. This where it started and the spirit thrives still. Glad you enjoyed the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Supplicated Velvet Thunder Posted January 20, 2013 Author Forum MVP Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Nothing wrong w cali, just prefer elsewhere now that I have exp coast to coast. Don't care for the northeast either though some of the BEST ppl on earth live on ea coast. They make it worth it, but the others sure make it hard. I like it in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Supplicated Velvet Thunder Posted January 20, 2013 Author Forum MVP Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Besides, mango, u coined the phrase "dance competition" in reference to cali crowds bf I ever noticed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP comesatime Posted January 20, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Won't be making it outta CO much for a while w the lil one coming and my attempts to relegitimize my life, but all good things in a good time. Kisses! I've been trying to relegitimize my life for a year now , about to give the fuck up ... what little one coming , you buying a puppy ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Mango Posted January 20, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Besides, mango, u coined the phrase "dance competition" in reference to cali crowds bf I ever noticed it. It's true...Projection is a dangerous tool, i'm learning to not do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP comesatime Posted January 20, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 "dance competition" it's not a competition , its about who can jump around the most and be the spiniest ... in the old days the spinners spun in the halls and on the sidelines , now its a big fest of spinning insanity throughout ... seriously , I never had to worry about taking an elbow back then and the LSD was super clean ... just thought I should explain that I'm talking mostly about crazy spinning at Furthur west coast shows ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Supplicated Velvet Thunder Posted January 20, 2013 Author Forum MVP Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Yeah I had a career bf I went to my first DSO show. Then I dreamed about my life being at odds w my "New morals" and onto the road I went. Grateful for EVERY magic moment since then! Made a lot of friends for life and only one "enemy" but she decided that long bf I even knew her name and I still have no animosity, only sad some ppl wanna hate instead of just be love. California was the pinnacle of my "road life" and if I had wanted that forever I could have stayed and been happy. No one made me go, I escaped the burning shore bc I was ready to be something, someone else. CO inspired me to start my book when I lived here bf, going back home, here to CO was what I needed to do. Will always love cali and EVERY DANCER AND LOVER there, but I belong in CO, where the cool rains wash it all away. This electric energy Tessla was so attuned to here in CO springs is just what I need! Unpredictable and powerful! I wish I was just getting a puppy then I wouldn't be an emotional wreck from what was prolly a miscarriage this morning. I am a public person, as yall know from my vehement stance against circumcision (torture to infants is NOT OK) and few women talk about miscarriage or sex or anything else, and it is my role in this life to demystify the feminine mystique and bring us all back to that place where we can talk about anything and be whatever we want without shame, guilt or fear. I am praying it was twins and I am still pregnant, but everything happens for a reason and I am not the one who knows or judges. so, still stoked to finally begin a teaching career, as that is what I have always known I will do. And it is time for me to have a family of my own, so whether its this yr or beginning of next, I can't wait to bring a new dready deadhead into the world asap cause baby's daddy is finally found! Thanks for letting me be myself! Love ya'll! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP comesatime Posted January 20, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 it is my role in this life to demystify the feminine mystique and bring us all back to that place where we can talk about anything and be whatever we want without shame, guilt or fear. I'm in !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerrapinJen Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 dance competition (shit, LIFE competition) i think we're all just deadheads trying to figure out how to make it in this world that doesnt really get or want our lifestyle. we all express our need/desire to be wacky oddballs in our own way. Im happy where im at and with the heads i dance with, and i hope they are too. but i cant deny that i havent shared that frustration you are expressing in my past. we tend to gravitate toward people who are similar to us in values, beliefs, behaviors, etc. anyway, it was good to see you friday night! until next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Tom Banjo Posted January 21, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 So yesterday I had a discussion with some friends on this subject in Cali at what I might call the heart of deadhead elitism, while watching Phil really enjoy his niners take down the Falcons. I also saw him sing FOTD with the Terrapin Family Band. I was surprised how into the football game he got. You can borrow from the devil You can borrow from a friend The devil got 20 bills But your friend only got 10 I know exactly what Steph is talking about. So does Mango and I'm pretty sure so do the kids dancing like that. I wanted to leave this alone because it has a high propensity to offend someone or several people. I have said before, "I don't like the way they dance in Santa Cruz." I guess that would be my dance competition line, but I don't really see it as a dance competition. I feel they are fighting more for space; it's a space competition. Those dancers are a tight nit family and they really want space to dance and groove together. They dance big, they will dance into you, and they do hold down space. They seem to really welcome in those they know from both far and wide, but they do want to reserve space for their family group. I read this book by Peter Connor's called Growing Up Dead and this mentaility was echoed in his work. As Spinderella or whatever the fuck that old guy goes by these days, Peter Connor also noted that these dancer's usually hung far to the outside either in the hallways or the corners of these venues. Nowadays they seem intent on asserting their right to dance in a more prime space. Connor's biggest revelation here was in regards to dancing with these dancers. He stated that if you could integrate seamlessly into their dance frenzy your more than welcome to stay but outsiders that could not integrate seamlessly would be ejected with physical or even verbal gesturing. Groups of dancers did exclude people from their dance. I think velvet got it wrong when she may have implied that the heads in Cali are judgmental for the way they dance as opposed to the heads in CO. I live in CO. I love it here. I have no intention of moving to California or ever living in California, but I do not believe that the California heads, in general, are any more judgmental than heads elsewhere. I have felt welcomed and loved by many of our friends and family in California. Some of them have also gone far above and beyond the general call of being a human to help me. I don't think their desire for space is in any way a judgment on you. I think they have high sense of self worth, really value the music and experience, and our willing to offend people if necessary to ensure they have the experience they want. They set boundaries and sometimes an outsider won't like those boundaries. We could use some of this in some places in the Northeast where dancing can become impossible. In my experience, I find it's best to either get crazy with them and show them you also came to get down or find somewhere else to dance. You can either integrate seamlessly with your silky smooth dancing or integrate by asserting your own boundaries - elbow's out. The other solution is go find your own space to dance or even a space with your own tight nit group of family and friends. It's important to note that we're all family, but the reality is some members of this family are part of a tight nit travel and dance group of mine. At new years, we made it very clear that the upper balcony space belonged to us and if you noticed, not many outsiders danced there. I do not think we were judging anyone, but we did make it clear we came to party and we are a big group. Like the Santa Cruz or Cali dancers, we made it clear that this music is very serious to us. Sorry if I offended anyone. I, by no means, meant to offend anyone. I would love for a Santa Cruz dancer to share their thoughts in a rational non-defensive way. Its always best to get all sides of the story. Unfortunately, like anywhere else in the world, you risk judgment for sharing your thoughts anywhere, including here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP comesatime Posted January 21, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Spinderella loves you , rick !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Tom Banjo Posted January 21, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Spinderella loves you , rick !!! oh you, i knew I couldn't offend your ol fart ass. Love ya too buddy. Do SF. I'm not doing SoCal but I will do SF. We should go to Tommy's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP comesatime Posted January 21, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 oh you, i knew I couldn't offend your ol fart ass. Love ya too buddy. Do SF. I'm not doing SoCal but I will do SF. We should go to Tommy's. Tommy's it is , but I'm still a wee bit on the fence about SF , just a wee bit though !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP chuckvegas Posted January 21, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 I understand about space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Mango Posted January 22, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Mike, isn't there a limit on how many times you can change your name? sheesh. Rick, well put. I don't know who is from santa cruz, who qualifies for this category of 'spinner' or whatever. I don't live in Santa Cruz but I do live in California and frequently attend whatever dead-related shows that I can. I have found my overall experience of sharing dance space with others to be quite rewarding. This changes when there is limited space, like at pretty much every cali dso show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP comesatime Posted January 22, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Mike, isn't there a limit on how many times you can change your name? sheesh. I have special powers here ... :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Tom Banjo Posted January 22, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Mike, isn't there a limit on how many times you can change your name? sheesh. Rick, well put. I don't know who is from santa cruz, who qualifies for this category of 'spinner' or whatever. I don't live in Santa Cruz but I do live in California and frequently attend whatever dead-related shows that I can. I have found my overall experience of sharing dance space with others to be quite rewarding. This changes when there is limited space, like at pretty much every cali dso show. Santa Cruz comment isn't about living in Santa Cruz. There is a very tight nit group that often attend a dance in Santa Cruz. I've been once and I have seen first hand that the spirit is very much alive with these folks and they look out for one another. It's a beautiful thing. I wasn't counting you in this family group as to me your still very much east coast and our personal travel and dance groups overlap greatly. I still think your opinion or views are powerful here. You have seen many different places and learned about many different GD subcultures. Do you remember Terrapin Hill? That was a whole other animal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Mango Posted January 22, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Santa Cruz comment isn't about living in Santa Cruz. There is a very tight nit group that often attend a dance in Santa Cruz. I've been once and I have seen first hand that the spirit is very much alive with these folks and they look out for one another. It's a beautiful thing. I wasn't counting you in this family group as to me your still very much east coast and our personal travel and dance groups overlap greatly. I still think your opinion or views are powerful here. You have seen many different places and learned about many different GD subcultures. Do you remember Terrapin Hill? That was a whole other animal. Ha! the dso show itself there was a blast, but man those people got down tribal style. All I really remember is that kid trying to jump in the fire...twice. That was scaring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Supplicated Velvet Thunder Posted January 23, 2013 Author Forum MVP Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Ah many crawled getting to, and definitely at, that terrapin hill show. DSO kept the rain away but the rest of the weekend was a mud fest. Thanks for being the balancer, sir Rick. I have always enjoyed your long posts, I usually skip the short ones and only read ur long ones cause they always get somewhere good. As I listen to the tricksters stream from taper Rob I am getting warm and fuzzy inside thinking about all the amazing people I have met and seen and all the methods of expression I have seen in various combinations. I'm an outsider wherever I go, its in my witchy ways, so though I regognize the joy of dancing in large groups in intense energy magnification, especially thanks to you and Mango, as ambassador's of our generation of star heads, at the end of the night I really just wanna stand right in front of the mattson-baracco maelstrom and lose some senses while I gain others in relative privacy. Yall know this about me, and I am grateful that we all get to find our own space, one night at a time. And I always enjoy seeing the groups (when they dance on me when I.was there first it annoys me, but I have a group of ladies that always know I am up front and I know the ppl around me get pissed but hey, when I'm in the group it doesnt bother me as much for some reason hehe). It's all just songs of our own and we are lucky we get to sing together so often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP chuckvegas Posted January 23, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 I have always enjoyed your long posts, I usually skip the short ones. I was once told that size doesn't matter. Now I realize she was just trying not to hurt my feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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