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Not misquoted.

Here is the link to the interview: http://www.jambands....ead-archivist?1

Here is the part from page two where he claims they will get to more '83-'85 (and seriously, what is taking so long???):

"Likewise, we know there’s eras we haven’t hit. There’s ’84. We know ’85 and ’83 are veryunderrepresented. We’ll get to them... "

Here is the part from page 3 where infers that '83 was a weak year. I think he must be drinking a lot of black licorice flavored kool aid:

"there’s a lot of good shows from ’77, so clearly ’77 is going to get picked a little more frequently than 1983"

Someone needs to sit Dave down with a board of that SPAC '83 Scarlet Fire. For starters

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Understand in the early eighties there was no Betty there to record shows, the board recordings were done by Healy and his crew and that was not their primary concern, they handled the PA. The Grateful Dead did not value the live recordings of shows at this point, so that is why in the 80's with the advancement of portable recording units like Sony D5's and Nach shotgun Mics for example fans had the technology to record excellent quality shows, this was not always the case but many venues had great sound for audience tapes....my two cents ....Dr V.

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'83 shows were more fun to attend than to listen to. I also have more fun listening to shows that happened before I could attend. I graphed this problem and found that the lines cross in a Jai Alai fronton on July 22, 1974.

^^^My friends and I used a stat guy to help us figure out the most appropriate formula for doing a statistical analysis and we found said point to be 10/18/74.

And David was NOT saying/inferring '83 was a weak year from what I read in Lightening's recap above.

He was saying it wasn't as consistent as 1977.

As much as any of us love the year 1983--and I love that year plenty because it's got the power and it's got the glory--we know that it was not as consistent as 1977 when we look at shows from the opener to the encore.

The reasons for this can be debated until the cows come home (these are stubborn cows people) but that argument is a fairly stable one.

Now, I am the last to get involved in arguments regarding which year was better because I think it's silly to compare years being as it was a different band in 1977 compared to 1983.

But it's hard to argue with David's comment that there are more officially releasable shows from the year 1977 than the year 1983.

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I'm not seeing anywhere in that interview where "Dave...mentioned he thought '83 was a weak year for the band." Nonetheless, I'm happy that this thread springboarded my little '83 session last weekend!

I also like that he said he wouldn't rule out releasing an audience recording at some point in time.

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Well, I heard (but didn't actually hear the program) that David Gans played Sean Webber's 7-29-88 Laguna Seca spaced omni tape on the DeadHead Hour back in the day.

So there's some semblance of precedent. Certainly Jeffrey Norman could polish something up nicely.

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Well, I heard (but didn't actually hear the program) that David Gans played Sean Webber's 7-29-88 Laguna Seca spaced omni tape on the DeadHead Hour back in the day.

So there's some semblance of precedent. Certainly Jeffrey Norman could polish something up nicely.

Maybe the KQED 'Dead to the World' hour but I very much doubt the national hour.

That would kind of shock me even those auds ARE insane.

The difference between the two shows is like comparing MSG to the Nokia or whatever they are calling it this moment.

Both great programs but the national hour is/was the prestigious one, listened to by the likes of Obama, Gore, Cronkite et al.

That is the big one where the world has gotten what are basically very powerful FM full sets that, in my mind, rock the casbah.

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I may be biased but Lake Acid was my favorite show hands down. It was my first show and was blown away. Super mellow at first and just seemed to morph the entire crowd into some kind of living organism to a level I never experienced again ever. While some shows came close from my perspective, Lake Placid is a rare gem indeed and have always looked back on her with unconditional love. It was also my only Human Wheel. Dang those were the days. :) After the show we tracked down bobby in his hotel and celebrated his birthday for a little while. Unfortunately Jerry had left and missed a rare opportunity to hang with him.

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sure it ain't the strongest year...tho there are plenty of highlights...4/13 UVM...4/16-17 Brenden Byrne w/ Stephen Stills...6/20 {&21 for that matter} Merriweather Post...9/2 Boise "citizens of Boise, surrender! for you are a conquered people!!"...10/11 MSG {mentioned briefly earlier} for the bring-back of st. stephen..tho the entire show {esp 2nd set!!! listen to the jam between bertha & china doll}....AND the next night is spot on too...listen to the Cold Rain opener, minglewood, etc.....yowza !!!

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I bought a sony tcd5m ( D5 ) in 1984 and started recording. I have about 100 shows, most of which are a+ recordings, for audience that is. I often hear audience recordings on Sirius and am somewhat disappointed in the quality...seems kinda strange with all the tapers out there back in the day? They all are still in cassette form but very tight...I listen to them occasionally...pretty neat stuff..Peace.

BTW, I always find it strange that so many are bitter here...I always had these thoughts that all deadheads were cool..funny, huh?

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If you have to ask you wouldn't understand.

LSP....PM me your address. I think you should have my sound of that first set from Placid..you can't get it anywhere 'out there.' That place seems like it holds a very special space in folks' memories, (it was the air and the surrounding and the playing and Al Michaels) and since it was that for you, you NEED to have this sound of THAT set. It will boil your blood.

Eaton's aud (the one I referenced) is heaven on earth too.

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BTW, I always find it strange that so many are bitter here...I always had these thoughts that all deadheads were cool..funny, huh?

Mmmm...not sure what this is about.

I think, sometimes, all of us on here need to lighten up a tad and try not to take stuff too seriously.

Or maybe not. What do I know.

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Just to move this conversation back on a positive note (cause '83 has too many epic shows to not get this thread moving in the right direction again), here is a pic of our Emmy eating real food for the second time in her life!

We think she likes it (spinach and peas).

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LSP....PM me your address. I think you should have my sound of that first set from Placid..you can't get it anywhere 'out there.' That place seems like it holds a very special space in folks' memories, (it was the air and the surrounding and the playing and Al Michaels) and since it was that for you, you NEED to have this sound of THAT set. It will boil your blood.

Eaton's aud (the one I referenced) is heaven on earth too.

Stone is not kiddin here. The version of the Lake Palcid show he turned me onto is heaven on earth. I think I blew a computer speaker before finding the headphones that could deliver the sound. My advice....play it LOUD!

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Wow... your daughter has magnificent eyes (I hope that's not creepy in any way).

I am an acupuncturist. This photo is an awesome display of a phenomenon the Chinese call "shen". Shen is our essential life force, emanating from heart, and evident via the eyes.

One's eyes speak volumes.......

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We used to blast that sugaree from our dorm room window to the rest of the campus while getting degrees at the University of Wyoming. I continue to play the CD Dstone sent in an exchange we did awhile back. Has anybody seen or gotten videos copies of the Santa Fe shows from '83? I've seen clips once before when I was actively trading, but for some reason now it's not on youtube? There was a rainbow over the band during the Dew and that has to be one of my all time favorite Wang Dangs. keeping the spirit of 83 alive is commendable, what a great thread. I can also remember playing that Santa Fe Althea at top volume while getting some acting credits at Arizona State in the summer of 84. It used to take some time and commitment to get copies of shows, I'm so glad we have a central archive system now and don't have to be bankrolling TDK or Maxell. It seemed ridiculous back then having to copy and send everything to everybody, but it did reveal the true heart of a gracious taper.

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Wow... your daughter has magnificent eyes (I hope that's not creepy in any way).

Gosh no....thanks man!

I am an acupuncturist. This photo is an awesome display of a phenomenon the Chinese call "shen". Shen is our essential life force, emanating from heart, and evident via the eyes.

One's eyes speak volumes.......

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