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are you saying that DSO is not allowed to play Springfield, Ohio this year ?

I am confused by your post ..... seems a little unorganized in how you wrote it ...

explain where you are going with your post ??

as for NLQP and Gratfulfest... I think that is something totally different as to why DSO is not playing this year....

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you are going to lose SO many fans.

Doubt that...

DSO MANAGEMENT, you SUCK! To think I was actually excited that All Good will take place an hour from my home.. So many people I know are boycotting due to your strict exclusivity clause. If the festival lineup is so great, you shouldn't have to worry about attendance, and sacrifice SO many beloved annual shows out of GREED.. Wow.

DSO's management doesn't have anything to do with the exclusivity clause... it's the promoters.. The promoters are the ones who make the clauses that prevent DSO from playing a venue due to them playing somewhere close to that particular venue. It usually is a 6 month period I think...

I dunno where you get the GREED from, as they don't make as much money as you probably think they do.. You know how much overhead it costs to keep that traveling circus on the road?? This is all a labor of love for those people on stage! They are not getting rich by any means! Also, it the promoters that regulate how much the tickets cost for a show.. DSO gets 'X' amount of money to play a show, it's up to the promoters to regulate how much each individual ticket costs.

I think you're being a little harsh on them when you are just speculating... know your facts before you start spewing crap all over them...

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I apologize that my first post in here ever had to be a negative one. i am a long-time dso fan (1999). I do actually know a ton of people in the local live music industry but no, I do not have a copy of the contract. A lot of people are upset about the fact that All Good is being moved to Ohio this year, but the regional musicians who have made the scene thrive in Ohio have no chance of playing All Good and being a part of it, due to the clause. I'm not saying that I am "boycotting" All Good.. I said many people I know have stated that they are, but these people are mostly ones directly involved in the industry (artists, promoters). I love Furthur, I love Dark Star, but you can't say there's not a "greed" aspect when bands cannot play anywhere else in the state if they agree to All Good.

I definitely understand how much it costs to throw a show that big, obviously I know they need to make their profit, but it just seems a little extreme, in my opinion. A show should be able to make $ off its own great lineup, not monopolizing the market.

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This is the quote i read earlier that spurned my original post on here:

"Walther manages DSO. Walther puts on All Good. No bands who play All Good will be able to play venues within so many miles, within so many weeks of All Good - per contract. (be it Keller, DSO, anybody). All "major" festivals and commercial concert tours have that "exclusivity clause."

So yeah, maybe Ohio just isn't used to the business ethics of these "major" festival promoters and are used to a more communal music scene, sensitive to this kind of stuff. That Veterans Amp show is something very special and it will be sad if it is included in this clause.

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Doubt that...

DSO's management doesn't have anything to do with the exclusivity clause... it's the promoters.. The promoters are the ones who make the clauses that prevent DSO from playing a venue due to them playing somewhere close to that particular venue. It usually is a 6 month period I think...

I dunno where you get the GREED from, as they don't make as much money as you probably think they do.. You know how much overhead it costs to keep that traveling circus on the road?? This is all a labor of love for those people on stage! They are not getting rich by any means! Also, it the promoters that regulate how much the tickets cost for a show.. DSO gets 'X' amount of money to play a show, it's up to the promoters to regulate how much each individual ticket costs.

I think you're being a little harsh on them when you are just speculating... know your facts before you start spewing crap all over them...

It is the same people

Personal and Business manger Tim Walther @ Walther Productions

Promoter for Allgood Walther Productions

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Yes I understand that Walther is DSO's manager... What I was saying that ALL Promoters, be it Walther, or whomever else all have pretty much the same exclusivity clause in their contracts when it comes to playing venues.

When DSO plays as "Terrapin Nation" at Mexicali Blues in Teaneck, NJ, it's cause they usually play NYC for the Thanksgiving run, and therefore they can not play as DSO within a 'X' amount of miles from NYC for up to a time period of 'Y'..

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We are not playing NLQP because it's time for us to move on from there and Evan is cool with that. We are going to play Springfield this year and we are not being restricted. It's actually only the big bands that sometimes have that clause. The smaller undercard bands (like us) don't have that kind of draw to worry promoters. Some big bands snub the clause ie: furthur a few years ago playing Nokia right before Vibes and Outside of Boston this year before Vibes. Both would have been within the radius of any clause.

My $.02 for what it's worth (which is not much)

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I apologize that my first post in here ever had to be a negative one. i am a long-time dso fan (1999). I do actually know a ton of people in the local live music industry but no, I do not have a copy of the contract. A lot of people are upset about the fact that All Good is being moved to Ohio this year, but the regional musicians who have made the scene thrive in Ohio have no chance of playing All Good and being a part of it, due to the clause. I'm not saying that I am "boycotting" All Good.. I said many people I know have stated that they are, but these people are mostly ones directly involved in the industry (artists, promoters). I love Furthur, I love Dark Star, but you can't say there's not a "greed" aspect when bands cannot play anywhere else in the state if they agree to All Good.

I definitely understand how much it costs to throw a show that big, obviously I know they need to make their profit, but it just seems a little extreme, in my opinion. A show should be able to make $ off its own great lineup, not monopolizing the market.

Exclusivity has existed as long as live music has been played. Promoters have to protect themselves in order to make good on their investments.

We, the musicians who play live music might not like it, but, we certainly understand it. Such is the way of live music in America(and I suspect much of the world) RB

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You guys and gal keep it real on stage.... that's huge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! especially in the settings of a barroom. I don't think we'd all make it through without the intimate shows everyone creates these daze. "And the gypsy with the broken flag and the flashing ring said son: 'This ain't no dream this time it's the REAL THING' "

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This isn't the Place for me

It could be though. Don't turn tail because a few folks took issue with your passionate assertion. Some people don't feel the way that you do and that's ok - that's life. If you take some time to see some of the other topics and the resulting discussions I think you'll find this community is indeed a tolerant, welcoming place.

I do share your disappointment when there are situations where business encroaches upon when or where the music we all love is played. I think DSO does a good job not letting the tail wag the dog so that they can be largely free to do what they do. That said, music and business need each other to some degree so that shows can happen for the people that want (and in my case NEED) to see them. Case and point, do you think the GD would have ended up being who they were without Bill Graham?

Stick around - I am sure you have other opinions that folks might appreciate given how long you have been following the band. Peace.

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sounds like fear of the unknown... things one can't control ~ settle down. easy, Jim.

"I do actually know a ton of people in the local live music industry but no, I do not have a copy of the contract. A lot of people are upset about the fact that All Good is

being moved to Ohio this year, but the regional musicians who have made the scene thrive in Ohio have no chance of playing All Good and being a part of it, due to the clause. I'm not saying that I am "boycotting" All Good.. I said many people I know have stated that they are, but these people are mostly ones directly involved in the industry (artists, promoters)."

The scene in Ohio has been thriving since at least the 1970s lol... think about all that funk that came out of Dayton, for example. As for ekoostik hookah (a band that's been making money off the music scene in Ohio since the early 90's), they won't suffer from All Good being in Ohio. Heck, they might actually play All Good and have their Hookahvilles, too, and all the bar gigs, etc.

As Mr. Eaton stated (something along this sentiment anyway...) it's a clause mostly for very expensive bands. No one (promoter) would appreciate paying $100,000 + for a band that could play right down the road for a cheap ticket price outside the festival in some local bar type place, essentially cutting the throat of the festival promoter. Also, they don't have to adhere to that clause of not playing the area within a certain time frame, as Mr. Eaton stated.

So, between the telephone game (reading other quotes that may or may not contain factual information) and fear of the unknown... people get all excited, worrying. Here we are in January... counting the days til summertime ~

In the attics of my life

Full of cloudy dreams unreal

Full of tastes no tongue can know

And lights no eye can see

When there was no ear to hear

You sang to me

I have spent my life

Seeking all that's still unsung

Bent my ear to hear the tune

And closed my eyes to see

When there were no strings to play

You played to me

In the book of love's own dream

Where all the print is blood

Where all the pages are my days

And all my lights grow old

When I had no wings to fly

You flew to me

You

flew

to me

In the secret space of dreams

Where I dreaming lay amazed

When the secrets all are told

And the petals all unfold

When there was no dream of mine

You dreamed of me

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