Forum MVP August West Posted September 8, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 This is sooooo good it's spooky. I remember being at this show, and saying to my buddy " We'll be listening to that version for years to come". I haven't watched this video for quite some time, I'm glad I did tonight. Enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP New York Steve Posted September 8, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 This is sooooo good it's spooky. I remember being at this show, and saying to my buddy " We'll be listening to that version for years to come". I haven't watched this video for quite some time, I'm glad I did tonight. Enjoy! Out of nowhere too...amazing.... he always had moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redeyedbert Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 This is sooooo good it's spooky. I remember being at this show, and saying to my buddy " We'll be listening to that version for years to come". I haven't watched this video for quite some time, I'm glad I did tonight. Enjoy! I haven't watched this in a while either and wow!!!! Jerry is animated at times and you can see young Jerry just with his mannerisms. A+++ version. Emotion oozing out of his pores. His vocals are so good here. The whole band sounds great. That Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP John A Posted September 8, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Less than 6 months from the grave and clinging to a most tenuous grasp of his musical gifts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Dstone5553 Posted September 8, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Less than 6 months from the grave and clinging to a most tenuous grasp of his musical gifts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP comesatime Posted September 13, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 around 93/94 I started to pick and choose only local shows , tri state ( nj,ny and pa )... no more runs or travel , just a show here and a show there ... I think I was giving myself a break , and maybe Jerry too , you know he needed a break ... this was one of the pick and chooses , and it was my last show ... I think I should have went to a few more shows that year , but this was a good one and this Vissions is probably why !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducats Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 Less than 6 months from the grave and clinging to a most tenuous grasp of his musical gifts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP John A Posted September 14, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 teleprompter Wow. I never knew a teleprompter could imbue mind boggling emotional energy. Pretty slick little toy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP chuckvegas Posted September 14, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 Wow. I never knew a teleprompter could imbue mind boggling emotional energy. Pretty slick little toy. Look what they did for Reagan...oh wait...never mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonomajon Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 Obama has taken alot of hits for his usage of the teleprompter. The facts are that all modern U.S. Presidents have used them to deliver speeches. It's never been controversial until todays right-wing GOP decided that it's now funny. So much so, that they're willing to lie about it. Same ol'.....same ol' political bullshit. "Ain't it just like the right".... Sorry...couldn't resist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP chuckvegas Posted September 14, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 "Ain't it just like the right".... Sorry...couldn't resist... Good one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP New York Steve Posted September 14, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 teleprompter a rather flippant comment about one of the more special moments in 90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Dstone5553 Posted September 14, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 I couldn't believe Garcia did two Visions in 86 because of those lyrics. And they were both incredible, especially the one in Hampton. I think that he loved this song quite a bit and when they got the teleprompters at the end of '94, my guess is that one of the fist things he may have thought of was dusting this one off. After that first verse in Utah, Phil just laughed and shook his head, as if to say..."Good thing you got that bro!" Garcia's missing lyrics is pretty famous and we all know it got worse and worse but he had a lot of songs and he didn't like to sit and study the words to them so that was just the trade off. The magic of Visions in the year 1995 was aided and made possible by the fact that the band had those...the magic was Garcia and the aide was the telepromter. Ducats knows that is my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducats Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 a rather flippant comment about one of the more special moments in 90's. pretty funny from a guy with that picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Dstone5553 Posted September 14, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 pretty funny from a guy with that picture Steve...you gotta admit, that IS pretty funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducats Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 I couldn't believe Garcia did two Visions in 86 because of those lyrics. And they were both incredible, especially the one in Hampton. I think that he loved this song quite a bit and when they got the teleprompters at the end of '94, my guess is that one of the fist things he may have thought of was dusting this one off. After that first verse in Utah, Phil just laughed and shook his head, as if to say..."Good thing you got that bro!" Garcia's missing lyrics is pretty famous and we all know it got worse and worse but he had a lot of songs and he didn't like to sit and study the words to them so that was just the trade off. The magic of Visions in the year 1995 was aided and made possible by the fact that the band had those...the magic was Garcia and the aide was the telepromter. Ducats knows that is my guess. i've commented on the magic of soldier field many times-it was incredible, teleprompter or not. and if i remember correctly flawless, which this threads version can't say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP New York Steve Posted September 15, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted September 15, 2011 Steve...you gotta admit, that IS pretty funny! Agreed. I will say, flawless is in the eye of the beholder and to discount one performance because of the use of a teleprompter and not another, doesn't make sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducats Posted September 15, 2011 Report Share Posted September 15, 2011 Agreed. I will say, flawless is in the eye of the beholder and to discount one performance because of the use of a teleprompter and not another, doesn't make sense to me. they both had prompters. my point was he blows one line (a few versus b4 the last one-first line) in the earlier version - and (?) i believe nails the later one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP FunkyBass13 Posted September 22, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 So is that how Bobby was able to do Desolation Row? Was there a song in their arsenal with more lyrics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducats Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 So is that how Bobby was able to do Desolation Row? Was there a song in their arsenal with more lyrics? he was doing desolation without prompter - actually before Jer even broke out the propmter - and if i remember correctly Bobby never used one before Jer died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP John A Posted September 22, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 Didn't Bobby have lyrics pinned to his mic stand or some such for early versions of Desolation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Dstone5553 Posted September 22, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 he was doing desolation without prompter - actually before Jer even broke out the propmter - and if i remember correctly Bobby never used one before Jer died Weir had one...it's not like Garcia was the only one with a teleprompter. I think the idea was for them to use it with new songs since they didn't do that stuff the traditional way...doing them over and over in the studio to get them on an album BEFORE they played them live. And Garcia used it for Visions I think because it was needed for a song like that. Like I've said before, if he had had all of his songs on there and they had gotten them sooner, I think it would have cleaned up much of the missed lyrics and helped clean up the shows in that respect which I'm guessing Garcia would have liked, but my bet is that he was totally against that because it would have taken away from something, like some of the fun of it maybe, but other musicians would be the ones to talk about that. Weir debuted Desolation in '86, almost ten years before the teleprompters. Weir, despite what many think, is very good at remembering lyrics (as is Eaton). He would occasionally get tripped up in a Truckin or El Paso or Samson but most of the time, he was dead on. Like we've said before, it's a little different now that Weir is doing Garcia songs because it has added just a bunch of new stuff for him and he messes up much more frequently, be it on a She Belongs to Me with RD or even one that he's done before like a Mobile with Furthur. But I think that's only due to the new catalog of stuff he's taken on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducats Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 Weir had one...it's not like Garcia was the only one with a teleprompter. I think the idea was for them to use it with new songs since they didn't do that stuff the traditional way...doing them over and over in the studio to get them on an album BEFORE they played them live. And Garcia used it for Visions I think because it was needed for a song like that. Like I've said before, if he had had all of his songs on there and they had gotten them sooner, I think it would have cleaned up much of the missed lyrics and helped clean up the shows in that respect which I'm guessing Garcia would have liked, but my bet is that he was totally against that because it would have taken away from something, like some of the fun of it maybe, but other musicians would be the ones to talk about that. Weir debuted Desolation in '86, almost ten years before the teleprompters. Weir, despite what many think, is very good at remembering lyrics (as is Eaton). He would occasionally get tripped up in a Truckin or El Paso or Samson but most of the time, he was dead on. Like we've said before, it's a little different now that Weir is doing Garcia songs because it has added just a bunch of new stuff for him and he messes up much more frequently, be it on a She Belongs to Me with RD or even one that he's done before like a Mobile with Furthur. But I think that's only due to the new catalog of stuff he's taken on. when did weir have one with the boys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Dstone5553 Posted September 23, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 when did weir have one with the boys? Same night Garcia first had one. First time I saw them on stage was the Oak run in Dec of 1994. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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