Forum MVP bs69 Posted February 11, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Looks like he has finally decided to run for the hills. It will be interesting to see how things develop in Egypt. I think they should call for the civilian elections fairly quickly before the military gets too entrenched in government. I wonder how much news about this is getting into places like Iran and what affect it may have there. This could be a very interesting summer in the middle east, let's hope we are watching from the sidelines. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41526422/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/?GT1=43001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP chuckvegas Posted February 11, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Not to mention how Israel may feel about free and open elections placing the Muslim Brotherhood in power. If Egypt winds up being another country ruled according to Shari'ah, to who's advantage is that? And as you noted, even if Eygpt doesn't go all the way down that road, this may still set an example (a la Tunisia) for her neighboring countries, especially Jordan and Saudi Arabia, where popular revolts would be more likely led by radical Islamists. Interesting times, for sure. A lot of folks have a vested interest in the flow of traffic through the Suez Canal continuing unimpeded. I hope and pray matters don't wind up looking something like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Tom Banjo Posted February 14, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 First and foremost, I must say that true democracy - power of the people - took place in Egypt. Those involved in the protests should feel they accomplished something great. However, the road is only going to get tougher for Egypt and I hope and pray that this works out, but this could have some serious repercussions throughout the Middle East and the World. Hopefully, peace and civility can be maintained and the military that is now in power will cede power to a newly elected government. For some reason, I think this is going to create some serious issues and I don't know how the US with so much interest in foreign oil and asserting their position as the imperial power of the world can watch from the sidelines. We shall see though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP bs69 Posted February 14, 2011 Author Forum MVP Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Not to mention how Israel may feel about free and open elections placing the Muslim Brotherhood in power. If Egypt winds up being another country ruled according to Shari'ah, to who's advantage is that? And as you noted, even if Eygpt doesn't go all the way down that road, this may still set an example (a la Tunisia) for her neighboring countries, especially Jordan and Saudi Arabia, where popular revolts would be more likely led by radical Islamists. Interesting times, for sure. A lot of folks have a vested interest in the flow of traffic through the Suez Canal continuing unimpeded. I hope and pray matters don't wind up looking something like this: I have not been to Egypt, but the sense I get is that it is a fairly modern society. I think it would be difficult to impose Shari'ah on such a populace. I really feel that the young leaders of the protests simply want reforms and a democratically elected government. What I fear, is that the army will not turn over power ala Myanmar. It is amazing how addictive power can be, just look at how loathe to relinquish it Mubarek was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP chuckvegas Posted February 14, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I have not been to Egypt, but the sense I get is that it is a fairly modern society. I think it would be difficult to impose Shari'ah on such a populace. I really feel that the young leaders of the protests simply want reforms and a democratically elected government. What I fear, is that the army will not turn over power ala Myanmar. It is amazing how addictive power can be, just look at how loathe to relinquish it Mubarek was. Agreed about the risk of the military holding on to the reins, although so far the sounds they are making have been encouraging. As is the fact that they didn't unload on the protesters. Most of their senior officers are Western trained, and have close ties to this country and England. That is a sword that can cut several ways, but it is better than having them tightly bound to, say, Iran and North Korea. As for educated, secular (such as it is) Mid Eastern societies, Lebanon was the jewel of that region, and outside interference seems to have ruined that country. Free elections haven't work out too well for them. Turkey is probably a decent parallel and their youth are taking on an increasingly radicalized Islamic tone. Hopefully that won't go down hill and take the Balkans with them. Lots of history there from long before the Ottoman Empire and they all have long memories... And talk about an educated, westernized "modern" society - Iran under the shah was all of that, despite the autocracy. Hell, when I was in college it seemed like half their students were in school over here in the states. Gold chains, Trans Ams, the whole disco nine yards. Guess that meant a lot of them could speak English and sing Donna Summers when they went back to support the Ayatollah. I'd like to believe that the moderating influences of modern media, dating back to MTV (spawn of the Great Satan society) and now typlified by the Internet and social media, will ameliorate the worst excesses of people still holding a grudge since the Crusades. Fingers crossed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Truckin Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I have not been to Egypt, but the sense I get is that it is a fairly modern society. I think it would be difficult to impose Shari'ah on such a populace. Have you noticed how Born Again Christian Fundamentalism has been imposed on the fairly modern US society? Modernity is no protection against religious imperialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP bs69 Posted February 17, 2011 Author Forum MVP Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 Have you noticed how Born Again Christian Fundamentalism has been imposed on the fairly modern US society? Modernity is no protection against religious imperialism. I think education has the most to do with it. The more educated the populace (particularly women) the less likely fundamentalism is to take over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP chuckvegas Posted February 17, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 And it is interesting how things have spread to Yemen, Bahrain, Libya(!), and of course Iran. I think the ancient Chinese curse is in full force and effect. I believe in the elevating power of education, but sheer book learnin' itself, with no application of a broader context within which to apply the knowledge, isn't a panacea for what may ail a society. And I realize this begs the question of cultural relativism and by what right does someone seek to assert tha a society is "ill." Still, it may be safe to say that Weimar Germany had a truly high level of literacy; look at who its citizens voted into power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP chuckvegas Posted February 21, 2011 Forum MVP Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 And this won't help with the price of oil: TRIPOLI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP bs69 Posted February 8, 2012 Author Forum MVP Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 Looks like he has finally decided to run for the hills. It will be interesting to see how things develop in Egypt. I think they should call for the civilian elections fairly quickly before the military gets too entrenched in government. I wonder how much news about this is getting into places like Iran and what affect it may have there. This could be a very interesting summer in the middle east, let's hope we are watching from the sidelines. http://www.msnbc.msn...rica/?GT1=43001 Well, it has been about a year and it does not look like the military is in a hurry to give up control. Could be another big flare up coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP bs69 Posted June 18, 2012 Author Forum MVP Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 I am feeling uneasy about this upcoming election. Old regime/military or Brotherhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP chuckvegas Posted June 18, 2012 Forum MVP Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 And the military doesn't appear to be letting go easily. "Hard" coup or "soft" (by attempted fiat), I don't think this will wind up being a ringing long-term endorsement of the democratic process. Sharia and tanks...not going to go well however it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Tea Posted June 19, 2012 Forum MVP Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Cairo, Egypt (CNN) -- Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak was in critical condition Tuesday after suffering cardiac arrest and a stroke, official reports said. "We were informed by prison authority that Mubarak's heart has stopped and they used electric shocks and CPR to resurrect him," Adel Saeed, official spokesman of the Egyptian prosecutor, told CNN. "He is now on an artificial respirator and doctors from the armed forces and International Medical Center will inspect him. "There is a possibility he will be moved to a military hospital tonight." State-run Nile TV reported that Mubarak, 84, suffered a stroke. His health has been reported to be in decline since he was ousted as president of Egypt in February 2011 and tried on charges related to the killings of anti-government demonstrators during the revolution. Last week, an Interior Ministry spokesman said he was comatose; the spokesman said he suffered from high blood pressure, irregular heartbeats and difficulty breathing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP bs69 Posted November 29, 2012 Author Forum MVP Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 The power struggle continues nearly 2 years later. http://news.msn.com/world/egypt-crisis-fears-of-second-revolution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP chuckvegas Posted November 29, 2012 Forum MVP Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 I remember hearing once an admonition to be careful what you ask for. And folks didn't need a crystal ball and Ouija board to see what the Arab Spring would devolve into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP bs69 Posted July 3, 2013 Author Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Here we go again Here's hoping for a peaceful resolution. Hopefully they get it right this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alabama Getaway Posted July 3, 2013 Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 Agree, but history does not show it will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP GoingBackTo Where.... Posted July 3, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 There is no such Arab spring when more than half the population can not read. Dark ages cured itself through the printing press. Can not have a civil society when only the clerics are able to translate and dictate the word of Allah. Christians had same issues many many years ago----and still to this day!!! Best foriegn policy---keep them fighting themselves, so they are not fighting us!!! Was Iran such a issue before Sadam? if you say yes, your looking back 30 years!!! --where is Sadam. We took out the most secular of the bunch...the balance of power, and now left with a imbalnce of horriable leaders feeding off the American dime, and the current admin loves it!!! I belive spring as a rebirth, the movement in Middle East.....is not a rebirth, its a step back. If you have been there, perhaps you know!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP comesatime Posted July 3, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 3, 2013 I say ,,, take the cuffs off Israel and cover your ears ... bombs away !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP GoingBackTo Where.... Posted July 4, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 I say ,,, take the cuffs off Israel and cover your ears ... bombs away !!! Mike, I too have thought this as well!! It seems so simple, but anything Israel does, we have to finish!! We are Israel, but hide domestically behind a cloak. For the rest of the world, they know Israel is the US . We fund Israel, like we fund Eygpt. The US has backed this with out doubt. Egypt millit. is backed 2billion worth annually from your guys and gals pockets. I am sure our ticket sales feed some of it. YES----CORPORTATIONS PAY FEDERAL TAXES!!!!!! ie....DSO...and its ticket sellars!!! Speculation of course, but willing to speculate on past and public knowledge........Eygpt has no oil, but they represent stability in a region we need stability in region for oil to remain constant!!! These are topic I can debate explain and contimplate with no authority!!!! But do know, this is done with US help!!!!!!!! Would of been cheaper to keep M in!!!! Same result!!! Oppressed people looking for religion to free them!!! Hmmmm.....does this sound like american politics? Think about it!!! Anyone here know Ali G? Most stupid fuck to interview, unless your smart enough to figure out the questions:}!!!! The Middle East is as easy to figure out as my 1 year old taking a dump!!!! Politics and GD.....my favorite topics!!! Never interned for GD--to hard to get in!! But they let me intern Senator:} US BLUES? That written truth should make some of you laugh, if not chuckle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh yea----aside from mispellings and mangled words---- I realize i paint broad strokes, and over simplify many issues here--------just trying to stay with in 500 words:} Hmmm...writing this, i realize, I do miss my early work!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducats Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 There is no such Arab spring when more than half the population can not read. Dark ages cured itself through the printing press. Can not have a civil society when only the clerics are able to translate and dictate the word of Allah. Christians had same issues many many years ago----and still to this day!!! Best foriegn policy---keep them fighting themselves, so they are not fighting us!!! Was Iran such a issue before Sadam? if you say yes, your looking back 30 years!!! --where is Sadam. We took out the most secular of the bunch...the balance of power, and now left with a imbalnce of horriable leaders feeding off the American dime, and the current admin loves it!!! I belive spring as a rebirth, the movement in Middle East.....is not a rebirth, its a step back. If you have been there, perhaps you know!!!! pretty funny from a guy that can't spell a lick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP GoingBackTo Where.... Posted July 4, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Sppelllling is one of many tings I can't do:) but as long as I bring humor and laughtetr:) its all good with me:)Thanks ducats. U realll good and stating obvious:) Edit: Spot on Ducats!!!! Spot on!!! more than pretty funny, thanks for bringing a smile and some good chuckles today!!!!! Happy 4th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Glad I am not in Egypt!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP bs69 Posted July 8, 2013 Author Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 This is going downhill fast. While I do not agree with most of Morsi's politics, he is the elected leader and I am very uncomfortable with the way this is going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP Tom Banjo Posted July 8, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 The Egyptian situation should scare many people all over. Wherever a large standing army exists (this includes America), democracy and its instruments are in constant danger of being subverted at the whim of military leaders. There was a reason for a local militia mentality of the Founders. Unfortunately for the US, stability and not democracy seems like it must be the goal. A military despot may serve our interests bests. I would expect things to get worse before they get better for the people of Egypt. Man has proven willing to tolerate a lot before he is willing to die for anything. Love of comfort seems to supersede love of freedom in general. They have unrest and blood shed. Democracy and freedom will seem less important to make it end. The military knows how to wrestle and centralized control. I do not believe they have any intentions of actually restoring a democratic process. I see more of a rigged election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP GoingBackTo Where.... Posted July 22, 2013 Forum MVP Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Its not Egypt's politics that scare me. its American Foreign Policy that scares me. Egypt was really, a buffer. All secular dictators in ME was is a asset to the US!! Bush, a simple minded Rockefeller NE conservative(get it?), had a completely misguided approach to the ME. Bush is to blame for Egypt, and Obama solidified the continued mistakes of US foreign policy. How effective was Saddam in checking plays of its neighbor? Persia.......now nuclear....... and controls most of Iraq,,,,, who now tries to fund other instability for a pan Arab/Persia awakening ( I know, confusing----I beat my wife, and you but in, and my wife starts to beat you!!!!Arab/Persians. The words are few, meanings huge.....to much to discuss in simple forum terms. One of those--------oh inebriated post that makes wonderful academic sense to me:}!!! God I love being a genius!! Damn State Department don't see the same......hate rejection!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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