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Ron ,not a single person on this board could do a better job than you at running this place , especially lately ... LOVE , RESPECT and MUCH THANKS to YOU for doing what you do !!!

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Enough has been said. You have a place to post about furthur if you want. If you don't want to read it you don't have to.

I'm not going to make a forum for alumni, you are welcome to post about them if you want.

JK is welcome to post here, and I don't have to set up the forum the way he wants. That's like someone telling you how to paint your house because he used to live in it.

What's done is done and pissing and moaning about it now isn't going to change it.

I have my reasons for not liking furthur and the shit a couple of the founding members have pulled over the last few years, and I'm not going to apologize for it.

If you want me to Fuck Off let me know you can have the forums!

TR,

I was made aware of a few unfortunate facts in Mill Valley last week from an insider regarding the formation of Furthur and some of the motivations and considerations of how this might impact DSO. I suspect this is some of what you are alluding to her, and I completely understand your feelings on the matter. It's a shame it played out like this, and I understand your likely dismay at all of the gushing praise on this forum for this new band on the DSO board. At the same time, I can't help but be very impressed with the music that Furthur is now producing. Of course, JK is the primary reason for this. I only wish that Furthur was just a sabbatical for JK, and he would be back with DSO to continue his career with the band he co-founded after Furthur is done. Unfortunately, this seems to be somewhat theatening to at least one of the elder statemen.

Please know that most of us here REALLY appreciate all you do!! This is the best site for GD music on the web because of your hard work. Thank you very much!!!

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I guess when the the man in charge of the forums "doesn't like furthur" then it should be no surprise to me that the furthur pages should end up in a diluted space shared with the rest of the bands of the world.....it is a reality check for me...the very day that Phil's 70th bday bash is announced, the furthur forum is put in "other bands"...Recently, I have been happy to feel a wave of positivity about this generation of GD music on the forum. Its been refreshing and has led to friendships with fellow forum members that may have been held back due to past forum discussions. Excuse the sports team analogy, but to me furthur is an allstar team....all the teams are playing together and we all win....It may be a taboo subject but i feel it is a mistake to think that having a focus on furthur on the dso board is threatening to the success of DSO. Any momentum towards GD music is good for everyone. Every time furthur plays there is a flock of new heads that will certainly be led to DSO for dead to the core experiences.....

Let me see if I can get you to understand something: This forum is for DARK STAR ORCHESTRA that is why it is called DSO FORUMS. There isn't a ratdog forum here, there isn't a Phil forum here. Personally I don't care if they are an "All Star Team", This is DSO Forums. Did I mention this Forum is for Dark Star Orchestra. If Furthur wants a Forum maybe they should make one or at least make a donation. :moon:

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There's an idea I can endorse!

I'd hate to see it come to that, if for no other reason than that it would stir up the crys of "censorship" and some variation of "no taxation without representation."

Nobody is now saying anything that will change anyone else's mind. Dies are cast and Rubicons are crossed, but partings if they have to happen shouldn't be so unpleasant. There is just no reason for such frustration and polarization.

Contentious times make for interesting reading. I yearn for an outside incursion because seeing it all come from within our family is really sad. Bootsie, where are you when we need you?

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Ron ,not a single person on this board could do a better job than you at running this place , especially lately ... LOVE , RESPECT and MUCH THANKS to YOU for doing what you do !!!

I can't agree more Mike. Thank you TR!

:dsorocks:

Who among us that were around 35-40 years ago, or even when Jerry passed, would have believed that the overall scene would be as strong as it is today? It has undergone a major renaissance in the past decade, and I firmly believe that to be in no small part due to the efforts of bands such as DSO and the fervent support of fans who believe.

In many ways all of this here is the result of renewed growing pains and it hopefully will be looked back upon as a tempest in a teakeetle.

It slips away, but we try. And the trying keeps it alive.

wiser words couldn't be said Chuck. you are so very right!

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Based on this thread...I would have to disagree with you there Chuck.

I guess there's a first time for everything---me disagreeing with you, that is.

Thanks, brother. You are a good friend. I take your point. I didn't say "fun" or "delightful" or "evocative." Still, by the length of this thread and its predecessors, the different versions of this topic have drawn the attention of quite a few folks.

Maybe I should have said "unavoidable."

Thank God volume seems to be slowing down. :shakehandhug:

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ummm... not that I really care, but I thought I'd remind everyone that the nearest thing DSO had to a forum for several years was a folder on Dead Net Central, and for a while it was the one of the busiest, if not *the* busiest folder on the site. I wonder what the outcome would have been if Hunter had decided to close it, and move everything into the "cover bands" folder...
Well let's see, John... More then likely nothing would of happened that would of effected the way this forum is run today... The DNC DSO folder was shut down back in 2005, when the old DSO site had a very primitive "message board system" under the "Reviews" section, along with the DNC folder. Also, back then, there were ALOT less users posting, registering, or even comming to the DSO website for "forum talk". Was the old DNC message system busy? Yes it was, but only with about 20-30 regular users who posted constantly on a daily basis. Also there were no multiple threads, only the one, where everyone had to talk over each other when discussing different topics.

Hunter could of moved it into your so called "cover band" folder, but instead he dumped it. The fact of the matter is that the progression of the DSO Forums would still be where it's at today... How about you all get your own message board on the Furthur site, we're doing just fine here... I'm glad you don't really care, John, cause the DSO forums shouldn't concern you anymore anyway....

"Peace"

One of the founding principles of DSO was unification of the disparate cliques in the Chicago area and the dispelling of the "sports team" model of fan support (as in, rooting for one "team" and disparaging all others)...

...now where are we?

Herd, have you been given the assignment of baiting me into open hostility? "stranger ones have come by here..."

DSO was a dream I actively nurtured for 8 years before Tiny asked Scott and I to sub in his band, Jahari's Window, and at that time Mike Maraat and I had been hunting for drummers and sporadically jamming for over a year. So, 20 years of my life in THIS SPECIFIC BAND (DSO) and suddenly I'm not supposed to care?

Hmmm

Johnny-boy, if you read what I had put into BOLD you can see that you first started off saying that you don't really care, yet in your last statement, you said that suddenly that you aren't supposed to care.... Kinda switching statements, are you not?

First off, the answer to your question is, no, I have not been assigned to bait you into open hostility... This is my own doing, and as always, when I say something, I mean it. I'm not going to sugar-coat anything I say, to anyone. I speak whats on my mind.. as Hunter wrote, "I say what I mean, and I don't give a damn... I do believe that I am who I am..." Maybe I was a little bit harsh in stating that you don't really care about the DSO forums, and I will halfheartedly apologize for that, but when you come on here and state immediately that you "don't really care", it seems to me that you're the one trying to start some sort of hostility towards us that try to run this board in the best manner which suits all users.

Hate to tell you John, but you are no longer a member of DSO. You jumped ship, which you have every right to, but you did so in a very quick and unprofessional way (my opinion of course). You give the band less then 3 months notice, and from what I hear, when you left, you told everyone to "Kiss your ass"... Granted, I was not there during your meetings and I don't know the entire story, but the facts are facts... You left your so-called baby, and your bandmates holding the bag, while you ran off with The Phil Lesh show... We here on the Advisory Board did our best to stop the rumor-mills from going rampant, and try to keep everything into a positive way, including you leaving permanently for Furthur, since you didn't have the balls to do it on your end. Oh wait, you did.... 2 days before your last 2 shows. You really hurt alot of your fans, John. We also, out of respect for you and your decision to leave, tried our best to keep the talk on here as positive as we could. Also, out of respect for your fans, we decided to add a "Furthur" section on here so your fans could express their views on the band you are currently a member of. In no way does Furthur have anything to do with DSO, and the only reason we decided to have a Furthur section on this board was out of respect for you and your 12 years of devotion to DSO. There were talk about removing the Furthur section of this board numerous times, and I personally (along with a few others) went to bat for you saying that it would be in the best interest of this board to keep the Furthur thing going for a little bit longer.

As far as I'm concerned, the time has gone and passed for your little section of this message board. So instead of TOTALLY removing all things Furthur, we decide to add another sub-group called "Other Bands". Having strictly a Furthur section on this board is a slap in the face to the members of DSO. Being that Furthur has no connection with DSO what-so-ever (besides you being an alumni), I don't see why we should keep it. If we kept it, then we would have the moral obligation to add other sub-groups like "Smokelahoma", "Blue Dixie", ect, ect, ect... hell even "Ratdog", and "Phil Lesh and Friends"...

I suggest that you get together with your boss, Mr. and Mrs. Lesh, and ask them to create their own forum over there at Furthur.net where those members of our beloved DSO forum can go over and talk about your new band. Everyone is more them welcome to post whatever they want about Furthur here, but we are certainly not going to have an entire sub-group deadicated to Furthur. Period. Again, it would be a slap in the face to the members of Dark Star Orchestra, who have in the past 3 months scrambled to find a suitable replacement for you, which they have done an extremely well job in my opinon.

John, many many people out here in DSO land are happy for you, that you are getting to play with Phil and Bob, but just keep in mind that this board is deadicated to DARK STAR ORCHESTRA, and their fans. I'm happy for you that you've seemed to have found a new home which you seem to be enjoying, but keep in mind that there are still alot of DSO fans that are very sad that you left us so quickly, without giving us time to prepare for the changes in the band that we love.

Best of luck in your new adventure, but remember this is OUR board, and we are doing what we think is best for OUR board...

Peace

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Johnny-boy, if you read what I had put into BOLD you can see that you first started off saying that you don't really care, yet in your last statement, you said that suddenly that you aren't supposed to care.... Kinda switching statements, are you not?

Certainly there are people like you Herdy who have knowledge of some things the rest of us do not concerning the inner-workings of DSO, but you just took John's two uses of the word 'care' entirely out of context and basically accused him of a 'flip-flop'.

John's first statement was in regard to not caring (good synonym here would be 'mind') about the forum:

"QUOTE (JK @ Jan 14 2010, 07:40 PM) ummm... not that I really care, but I thought I'd remind everyone that the nearest thing DSO had to a forum for several years was a folder on Dead Net Central"

John's second statement was in regard to his former band and perhaps all of us. Different use of the world 'care' concerning a different subject entirely:

"QUOTE (JK @ Jan 15 2010, 02:25 PM) So, 20 years of my life in THIS SPECIFIC BAND (DSO) and suddenly I'm not supposed to care?"

So, I read the first as not caring about the arrangement or disposition of 'forum stuff', and in the second, the opposite when it comes to important things like DSO and people...

Anyhow- I just thought he needed defending on those points. It is way past time to move on I think, and I'm sure you'll agree.

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Ron ,not a single person on this board could do a better job than you at running this place , especially lately ... LOVE , RESPECT and MUCH THANKS to YOU for doing what you do !!!

Taper Ron- I just wanted to again thank you for all your efforts keeping this place operating in a caring manner !

We here on the Advisory Board did our best to stop the rumor-mills from going rampant, and try to keep everything into a positive way, including you leaving permanently for Furthur, since you didn't have the balls to do it on your end. Oh wait, you did.... 2 days before your last 2 shows. You really hurt alot of your fans, John. We also, out of respect for you and your decision to leave, tried our best to keep the talk on here as positive as we could. Also, out of respect for your fans, we decided to add a "Furthur" section on here so your fans could express their views on the band you are

While reading Herdy latest reply(pasted above) -I also felt the need to express my sadness over the part I played in the chaos leading upto the departure of JK announcement!

My daily efforts to somehow extract info about what was going on must have been unbearable to the forum regulars!

I apologize for my selfishness & plan to just move forward in a positive way!

DSO has kept us fans in mind through all these changes.They have found a talented guy to step in and play lead guitar & the music hasn't skipped a beat! :dsorocks:

To the forum folks I met on the road during the last few months-Thanks for your patience & caring attitudes.

So, I'll end this saga with- When it got confusing, I should've just listened to the music play

Peace,

Rob

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Johnny-boy, if you read what I had put into BOLD you can see that you first started off saying that you don't really care, yet in your last statement, you said that suddenly that you aren't supposed to care.... Kinda switching statements, are you not?

First off, the answer to your question is, no, I have not been assigned to bait you into open hostility... This is my own doing, and as always, when I say something, I mean it. I'm not going to sugar-coat anything I say, to anyone. I speak whats on my mind.. as Hunter wrote, "I say what I mean, and I don't give a damn... I do believe that I am who I am..." Maybe I was a little bit harsh in stating that you don't really care about the DSO forums, and I will halfheartedly apologize for that, but when you come on here and state immediately that you "don't really care", it seems to me that you're the one trying to start some sort of hostility towards us that try to run this board in the best manner which suits all users.

Hate to tell you John, but you are no longer a member of DSO. You jumped ship, which you have every right to, but you did so in a very quick and unprofessional way (my opinion of course). You give the band less then 3 months notice, and from what I hear, when you left, you told everyone to "Kiss your ass"... Granted, I was not there during your meetings and I don't know the entire story, but the facts are facts... You left your so-called baby, and your bandmates holding the bag, while you ran off with The Phil Lesh show... We here on the Advisory Board did our best to stop the rumor-mills from going rampant, and try to keep everything into a positive way, including you leaving permanently for Furthur, since you didn't have the balls to do it on your end. Oh wait, you did.... 2 days before your last 2 shows. You really hurt alot of your fans, John. We also, out of respect for you and your decision to leave, tried our best to keep the talk on here as positive as we could. Also, out of respect for your fans, we decided to add a "Furthur" section on here so your fans could express their views on the band you are currently a member of. In no way does Furthur have anything to do with DSO, and the only reason we decided to have a Furthur section on this board was out of respect for you and your 12 years of devotion to DSO. There were talk about removing the Furthur section of this board numerous times, and I personally (along with a few others) went to bat for you saying that it would be in the best interest of this board to keep the Furthur thing going for a little bit longer.

As far as I'm concerned, the time has gone and passed for your little section of this message board. So instead of TOTALLY removing all things Furthur, we decide to add another sub-group called "Other Bands". Having strictly a Furthur section on this board is a slap in the face to the members of DSO. Being that Furthur has no connection with DSO what-so-ever (besides you being an alumni), I don't see why we should keep it. If we kept it, then we would have the moral obligation to add other sub-groups like "Smokelahoma", "Blue Dixie", ect, ect, ect... hell even "Ratdog", and "Phil Lesh and Friends"...

I suggest that you get together with your boss, Mr. and Mrs. Lesh, and ask them to create their own forum over there at Furthur.net where those members of our beloved DSO forum can go over and talk about your new band. Everyone is more them welcome to post whatever they want about Furthur here, but we are certainly not going to have an entire sub-group deadicated to Furthur. Period. Again, it would be a slap in the face to the members of Dark Star Orchestra, who have in the past 3 months scrambled to find a suitable replacement for you, which they have done an extremely well job in my opinon.

John, many many people out here in DSO land are happy for you, that you are getting to play with Phil and Bob, but just keep in mind that this board is deadicated to DARK STAR ORCHESTRA, and their fans. I'm happy for you that you've seemed to have found a new home which you seem to be enjoying, but keep in mind that there are still alot of DSO fans that are very sad that you left us so quickly, without giving us time to prepare for the changes in the band that we love.

Best of luck in your new adventure, but remember this is OUR board, and we are doing what we think is best for OUR board...

Peace

I think it's time for some Team furthur or Team DSO t-shirts! This is getting pretty childish. Hey Herdy maybe you should meet John for a cup of coffee and discuss this privately instesd of in public?? Or at least PM him! I will get my furthur info from Philzone and my DSO info here from now on. No big deal.

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Well feelings get hurt all the time especially in the music industry...It just the way it is. I assumed all along that Phil was probably demanding an exclusivity clause in JK's contract...and I certainly don't like the way this all went down. It left devoted fans in the dark and band members in the lurch. It's over now logistically speaking and JK has moved on...I suggest we all do the same.

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>>> Johnny-boy, if you read what I had put into BOLD you can see that you first started off saying that you don't really care, yet in your last statement, you said that suddenly that you aren't supposed to care.... Kinda switching statements, are you not?

First off, the answer to your question is, no, I have not been assigned to bait you into open hostility... This is my own doing, and as always, when I say something, I mean it. I'm not going to sugar-coat anything I say, to anyone. I speak whats on my mind.. as Hunter wrote, "I say what I mean, and I don't give a damn... I do believe that I am who I am..." Maybe I was a little bit harsh in stating that you don't really care about the DSO forums, and I will halfheartedly apologize for that, but when you come on here and state immediately that you "don't really care", it seems to me that you're the one trying to start some sort of hostility towards us that try to run this board in the best manner which suits all users.

Hate to tell you John, but you are no longer a member of DSO. You jumped ship, which you have every right to, but you did so in a very quick and unprofessional way (my opinion of course). You give the band less then 3 months notice, and from what I hear, when you left, you told everyone to "Kiss your ass"... Granted, I was not there during your meetings and I don't know the entire story, but the facts are facts... You left your so-called baby, and your bandmates holding the bag, while you ran off with The Phil Lesh show... We here on the Advisory Board did our best to stop the rumor-mills from going rampant, and try to keep everything into a positive way, including you leaving permanently for Furthur, since you didn't have the balls to do it on your end. Oh wait, you did.... 2 days before your last 2 shows. You really hurt alot of your fans, John. We also, out of respect for you and your decision to leave, tried our best to keep the talk on here as positive as we could. Also, out of respect for your fans, we decided to add a "Furthur" section on here so your fans could express their views on the band you are currently a member of. In no way does Furthur have anything to do with DSO, and the only reason we decided to have a Furthur section on this board was out of respect for you and your 12 years of devotion to DSO. There were talk about removing the Furthur section of this board numerous times, and I personally (along with a few others) went to bat for you saying that it would be in the best interest of this board to keep the Furthur thing going for a little bit longer.

As far as I'm concerned, the time has gone and passed for your little section of this message board. So instead of TOTALLY removing all things Furthur, we decide to add another sub-group called "Other Bands". Having strictly a Furthur section on this board is a slap in the face to the members of DSO. Being that Furthur has no connection with DSO what-so-ever (besides you being an alumni), I don't see why we should keep it. If we kept it, then we would have the moral obligation to add other sub-groups like "Smokelahoma", "Blue Dixie", ect, ect, ect... hell even "Ratdog", and "Phil Lesh and Friends"...

I suggest that you get together with your boss, Mr. and Mrs. Lesh, and ask them to create their own forum over there at Furthur.net where those members of our beloved DSO forum can go over and talk about your new band. Everyone is more them welcome to post whatever they want about Furthur here, but we are certainly not going to have an entire sub-group deadicated to Furthur. Period. Again, it would be a slap in the face to the members of Dark Star Orchestra, who have in the past 3 months scrambled to find a suitable replacement for you, which they have done an extremely well job in my opinon.

John, many many people out here in DSO land are happy for you, that you are getting to play with Phil and Bob, but just keep in mind that this board is deadicated to DARK STAR ORCHESTRA, and their fans. I'm happy for you that you've seemed to have found a new home which you seem to be enjoying, but keep in mind that there are still alot of DSO fans that are very sad that you left us so quickly, without giving us time to prepare for the changes in the band that we love.

Best of luck in your new adventure, but remember this is OUR board, and we are doing what we think is best for OUR board...

Peace

Look...

You might not realize it or just want to hide behind free speech, Advisory Board, and disclaimers to "Air out band laundry" and you clearly are tight with the band...

You might want to consider the much LARGER picture...Maybe you can't right now because of how fresh this is...

But, to think that your words can't do some damage to DSO's reputation...Disclaimer or not...Well...

-Stagger

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I didn't want to even continue to post about this, but...

I think it is ridiculous that people are still posting negative things toward John on the matter of him leaving DSO and playing with Phil & Bobby.. Now I don't know about how John left but I remember reading he called each DSO member individually and they were more then supportive... how could they not be? Do you think if Dino was asked to play drums with Phil and Bobby he would say no?

Personally, I think it is selfish of the fans to be upset at John... sure it is sad, we think of our amazing, transcendental experiences with John at the mic in DSO... but seriously... we will continue to have these experiences with Furthur (still trying to get tickets) and DSO.

Since Grateful Dead fans are more then fans, but a community... it is only natural that these discussions will happen... it is a beautiful thing but at this point I think this thread should be closed and we should get psyched for future DSO and Furthur shows.

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WOW, lots of opinions, lots of venom, lots of love. Sounds like family! Here's what I know, because its all I know, or care about the subject:

I'm very excited to see and hear Furthur when they play here in Colorado in March and

I'm very excited to see and hear the new updated version of Dark Star in April, sounds like a spring ski day at Beaver Creek

I wish I could've seen Eaton's new side project this past Friday. Hope its not a one time kinda thing.

The ONLY "original" member left from the first Dark Star shows I saw is LISA. And I've enjoyed them all. It's all about the music for us music fans, isn't it? Didn't Sublime sing something about all the "he said she said bullshit"?

"Opinions are like assholes, everbodies got one"

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all separations are difficult

it is HARD to embrace loss and change

there are seven phases of grief

one is sadness

one is anger

we all process at different speeds

one is forgiveness

one is acceptance

like in every divorce

people tend to take sides

but in the end

we all need to respect each other's choices

I LOVE YOU HERDY!

AND I LOVE JK TOO!

I hate to see my two friends at such odds. Please be kind to each other.

As far as the decisions of how to run this forum, like the decisions on how to run DSO, are ultimately up to those in charge.

I hope things do not change so much that I cannot find the discussions I am interested in reading about.

Keep On Dancin

-e

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So , I was wondering how this thread grew so much and who would be the dumb-ass with the most posts in it ... guess who ??? and if you include this one , it makes 10... :rofl:

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So , I was wondering how this thread grew so much and who would be the dumb-ass with the most posts in it ... guess who ??? and if you include this one , it makes 10... :rofl:

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