Hammerstein Night Two

[fishman]

I'm a Garcia man myself. I think the whole of the universe is--I listen to him in some form every day of my life and have for the last 20 years. I know there are people out there who love his music as much as I do but it's hard to imagine there is anyone out there who loves his music more than I do. I know there are an awful lot of us who feel this way--it's part of the magic of that man.

However, it is my opinion that John went ballistic on that last part of the show that looks so special. I agree about the ego stuff and I agree that the post GD stuff has been really very lacking for the most part, so much so that I've stayed away as well... but you throw all that stuff out the window when you see a Satisfaction>Grow>Sugar Mag/ encore Johnny realizing that Phil and John were probably playing/shredding their hearts out, helping Bob climb up that mountain of a closing trifecta.

You throw it out the window.

I WISH I STAYED HOME TONIGHT .AFTER THE FIRST NIGHT IN NYC I THOUGHT BW AND PHIL WERE GOING TO TREAT ALL MEMEMBERS AS ONE BUT I WAS WRONG WED. NIGHT SHOW WAS NOT GOOD FOR ME . ANYONE NEED TIX FOR NJ BOTH NIGHTS PM ME . I WILL NOT GO ANY FURTHUR .

[fishman]

I'm a Garcia man myself. I think the whole of the universe is--I listen to him in some form every day of my life and have for the last 20 years. I know there are people out there who love his music as much as I do but it's hard to imagine there is anyone out there who loves his music more than I do. I know there are an awful lot of us who feel this way--it's part of the magic of that man.

However, it is my opinion that John went ballistic on that last part of the show that looks so special. I agree about the ego stuff and I agree that the post GD stuff has been really very lacking for the most part, so much so that I've stayed away as well... but you throw all that stuff out the window when you see a Satisfaction>Grow>Sugar Mag/ encore Johnny realizing that Phil and John were probably playing/shredding their hearts out, helping Bob climb up that mountain of a closing trifecta.

You throw it out the window.

I WISH I STAYED HOME TONIGHT .AFTER THE FIRST NIGHT IN NYC I THOUGHT BW AND PHIL WERE GOING TO TREAT ALL MEMEMBERS AS ONE BUT I WAS WRONG WED. NIGHT SHOW WAS NOT GOOD FOR ME . ANYONE NEED TIX FOR NJ BOTH NIGHTS PM ME . I WILL NOT GO ANY FURTHUR .

[mikebiz]

I'm not sure why John was relegated to the back-burner vocally last night. I haven't heard the show, but from what I've read his absence was quite disturbing. How can you play an entire second set without some Jerry vocals? It's beyond me. I hope they bring JK to the front of the stove for Asbury. Maybe it's time he takes a little more control of this band. I think the new blood as a whole needs to do so. I completely understand that FURTHUR is BW/PL's band so to speak, but come on. Give the young guns that were brought in based on their amazing abilities to play this music their fair shake. If BW/PL want this thing to work that's the direction they need to go, IMO. That said, I still can't wait for Sat/Sun.

[nwnj steve]

J.K. is simply a sideman and he will do what he's told ,what to play & when to sing .It's that simple .

[mikebiz]

J.K. is simply a sideman and he will do what he's told ,what to play & when to sing .It's that simple .

Well if that's the case that sucks, PERIOD! If I was him I would not be able to stand for that. Bring him in to do a job and subsequently hold the reins back on him. That makes no sense. It's that simple

[nwnj steve]

Well if that's the case that sucks, PERIOD! If I was him I would not be able to stand for that. Bring him in to do a job and subsequently hold the reins back on him. That makes no sense. It's that simple

I'm sure I would do the same thing he's doing ,he's going to make alot of cash & he's playing with his hero's .I can't blame him at all.

[gr8fulauditors]

Satisfaction

Let It Grow

Sugar Magnolia >

Sunshine Daydream

Encore: Donor Rap

Johnny B. Goode

Holy crap! That is some serious Bob Weir heat!

Anyone who doesn't look at the end of this show with Weir probably screaming his ass off and John and Phil shredding behind him should plan on NOT coming to see Furthur. You could not ask for much of a better ending than that--maybe a Moring Dew and a Gloria.

Holy shit, I bet that place was going off.

Seriously...if that doesn't look good to you....stay home!

Ok here I go,

I have been known to say some dissappointing things to many of you on this forum.I AGREE with Dstone.We are still programed to have more Garcia vocals.We must remember HE is not hear to voice his opinion.When you see a list like this,maybe they ALL agreed on the list ahead of time.WE are all mostly Garcia people here,but try to think how you would have felt to here the closing trifecta ,say in '89.Would have been awesome but it just wasn't the format.these guys are showing us they threw ARE beloved format out the window.Acceptance has to be part of this.If JK feels slighted,and I doubt he does,HE must talk about it with them.I think we know him as a guy who will play his ass off no matter what THEY decide to play.Maybe one more night of that and it will natually turn to him. Face it MOST of the past two nights stuff were repeats from Oakland.History says they will not repeat much on this tour.If you were there in Sept. you have to be siked for this weekend.Eyes,shakedown,terrapin,sailor saint,bertha,there a few left to repeat from there BUT there has to be some stellar JK vocals coming,now is no time to exit the bus at the nearest stop...STAY WITH US,you will not continue to be sad bout this.....

[ThinMan]

the real problem with your rant dstone is this:

Weir probably screaming his ass

he can't do that anymore and you know me, that 4 pack to close looks bigger than anything in this world, plus a j.straw to open the set

i am going to hold judgement on this whole thing until i see them which won't be until rcmh, but i am sorry, as good as jk, phil and bobby playing is, they will not be able to best the collective unit that is dso

phil will still be heavy handed in his delivery, bobby will still try to change the tempos and crap in good lovin, and i am sure that uncle john's in there is ugly as hell, in fact it is set killer and probably a show killer

i know i am being negative in this whole expirement, but since bobby and phil have been let of their little pockets it will be impossible to put them back in and for gd music, that needs to be the case

i guess i didn't hold judgement

[VincentPuleo]

In my opinion, it does not make sense to compare this to DSO. Furthur is not supposed to re create the sound of the Grateful Dead to the finest detail. With John though, this has the potential to be the greats post Grateful Dead project ever. Tuesday night was amazing. I listened to the whole show and the vibe I heard was confirmed from people who were there. My thoughts on tonight's show were more on the negative not because of that giant Weir ender... I love Bob. but because of things such as...

Jack Straw

after what was probably an amazing Jack Straw...

The Wheel (BW)

especially considering the end of the show I do not understand this..

Here is a positive review from the Phil Zone

"last night was a very hot show IMO, and i saw 12/8 as well. yes, stuck inside o' mobile was a trainwreck, but half-step erased that memory quickly and overall set 1 was stronger than previous night's. meanwhile, JK was stepping out in guitar in a much bigger way than 12/8, and just shredding, seriously shredding. deal was ridiculously over the top, as was jack straw. what a version. the whole second set was pretty damn strong, and avoided the 'black hole' that kind of marred night before's mid-second set. transition into UJB was subtle and beautiful, outro jam was powerful. let it grow might have been the best version i've ever heard, seriously. i think the song selection in last half of set 2 was obviously too much bobby rocker - think it's hard to justify satisfaction and johnnybgoode in one show, not to mention good lovin as well. but all were played at an absurdly high level, and most of the longer jams had purpose and were pretty damn interesting. four 'peaks' to close satisfaction was a little histrionic but who the hell cares? sound was great up close on the left side, phil was much louder than night beforend playing SO WELL. this band has a lot of upside."

[gr8fulauditors]

the real problem with your rant dstone is this:

Weir probably screaming his ass

he can't do that anymore and you know me, that 4 pack to close looks bigger than anything in this world, plus a j.straw to open the set

i am going to hold judgement on this whole thing until i see them which won't be until rcmh, but i am sorry, as good as jk, phil and bobby playing is, they will not be able to best the collective unit that is dso

phil will still be heavy handed in his delivery, bobby will still try to change the tempos and crap in good lovin, and i am sure that uncle john's in there is ugly as hell, in fact it is set killer and probably a show killer

i know i am being negative in this whole expirement, but since bobby and phil have been let of their little pockets it will be impossible to put them back in and for gd music, that needs to be the case

i guess i didn't hold judgement

OK, Maybe thinking Weir was riding it like '89 vocally is wish, is a bit much,but so is complaing about a heavy handed Phil Lesh who is known for a heavy hand.And Weir for the most part since '78 live has changed a few things about the some of the lyrics and songs he sings.Do you people realize that this IS who they are.Why many of us love.We would be seeing Bob Weir, Phil Lesh,and plug (ANYBODY HERE).Simply put these two, are ALOT of our hero's.It is just a double bonus super package , to have JK on the stage with them.We have to remember, he is on stage with them.And no matter what this is THEIR stage.So we must think, if we even like what they do .This will be based in an indiviual basis.As some already have stated they were never going back, and others really enjoyed themselves.I will be there and accepting whatevere the list is, arrangements are, I gave myself over to these guys A ALONG time ago and still trust them just as much now as then.

[Dstone5553]

J.K. is simply a sideman and he will do what he's told ,what to play & when to sing .It's that simple .

I'm confused though. Did we not all see what went down in Oakland? I mean...I had different expectations for this too but as soon as the second song on Fri at the Fox, when they played The Wheel and Weir took the vocals, I realized how stupid I had been. I remember literally bending over in a kind of pain and some friends laughing at me. If I didn't have them holding me back, I would have walked out after that first set. I wanted to walk out. That Althea in the second set made me glad I didn't.

My point is that we already KNOW the deal here people! I'm not sure what in the hell people are thinking is going to happen. We already know that they are not going to trade off Weir/Garica--Weir/Garcia like some of us had hoped, with the occasional bob take on a Jerry song. Right? Or were some of you hoping this would be the case after seeing all the evidence in the world against it in that weekend at Oakland and at Fairfax? Is it that two days ago, John played his first public Reuben and Doin That Rag as well as a Dire Wolf and a Scarlet>Fire and people thought to themselves "Oh boy...Bob has learned a lesson here and this whole thing is going to be different now. He's now going to be letting John sing half of the material or at least much, much more material? If so, then shame on you because that's more stupid than I was with my silly expectations going into the Fox.

There was a moment two days ago when Bob was singing Cold Rain and apparently he didn't know the next verse and John came to the resuce by jumping in and saving the day. Who knows...after about 15 shows, maybe Weir might ask John to sing a little more material on his own, but it's never going to be what many of us hoped. OK? That makes sense, right? So it seems pretty clear to me (after that first show in Oakland) that either we change our expectations or we just stay away. I barely made it to the Sat Fox show. I think many people on here would be doing themselves a solid by staying away from seeing any Furthur shows.

I remember being the first person on here to admonish Bob Weir for singing Garcia ballads and at the same time, calling myself out knowing how dumb and unfair it was for me to ask of him this--I argued that it was an unjust world that would allow Bob Weir to sing Black Peter or Standing on the Moon or whatever. Last night, after dinner with friends, I go to see the list they did and my eyes almost pop out. Bob Weir playing a Satisfaction with Phil in New York City! And on top of that, he had John playing guitar!! John slamming those chords behind Bob's vocals and Phil's bass! Then I see that he played Let It Grow AFTER the Satisfaction---again with Phil Lesh. Again with John---I'm guessing you get the point here. Then I see that he played the first Furthur Suger Mag AFTER the Grow! The first Suger Mags with a truly great guitarist behind him in a long time (in my opinion). You can't tell me that didn't rip the hell out of that place. Then they play a Johnny encore?

I've seen hundreds of GD shows and I know that Weir isn't one to give us great stuff like this, all in a row. He has to play something lame---the usual story is that Garcia would be playing gems like Duprees, To Lay Me down and a Might as Well in a first set and all Bob had to answer with, was a Rooster, Masterpiece and a some cowboys. For him to play those songs to end that show, a show that began with probably a great Stranger into a great Deal, sung by JK--it's a big deal for heads like me and my friends. I don't even know what else they played off the bat--I know there was a Birdsong by Bob and Phil, which is a very painful experience to go through--I know there was an UJB by them, which isn't that much better, and the new Phil song but none of that matters when you look at the Bob Fest (not at MSG this time) that ended this show.

I remember touring and seeing many people who pretty much hated Bobby and I understood it--I get that there are people who don't like him but what I don't get is why in the hell these people are even thinking about going to see this band. I don't get that at all. I can't understand anyone who doesn't look at the lists of the last two show and isn't saying to themselves,,,"Wow!" A debutt of Reuben and Rag with a Truckin>Dire Wolf (JK) to start one show and a Stranger>Deal (JK) to start another and a full John Scarlet>Fire and a Sat>Grow>Sugar to close last night!" I get it that other people may see things very differently than my friends and I, but my thing here is that if you are not impressed by the last two nights of lists, I think it's a waste of your time to go see this band.

Now, I wasn't there and have only heard some of this stuff over the internet so there is a chance, if I had been there, for me to come away saying "I know that on paper, this looks insane but it really wasn't. John didn't get a chance to play his thing for any of those great songs." But I highly doubt that's the case. I don't think Weir is going to do anything like that Satisfaction>Grow>Sugar/Johnny again this year..he'll have to throw in a NFA, or a GDTRFB or anything else that makes it not as good as whay he did last night. I'm hoping, as much if not much more than anyone, that John gets to sing the Stella and the Dew and the Rat and the Standing and the Doll and throw in some first set ballads like Roads and High Time and To Lay Me Down. If they you put any of those second set biggies towards the end of a show, it just gets exponentially better. I have no idea what the lists are going to be but I do know that the rules were set in Oakland and we all got a chance to learn them real quick and those rules aren't changing.

Maybe people are like "whoa...can't believe David is going so nuts over a couple Bob songs to close a show and with not a single John song..." but this was a big deal what happened last night for anyone who loved the GD--all of the GD. Bob and Phil were a big part of that band and Garcia has been gone for a long time. For Bob to play that stuff with Phil and finally, someone like John behind him, IS a big deal.

Anyone can disagree but, like I've said way too many times already, it is my opinion that you would be doing yourself a favor by not attending these shows, thereby saving your time, money and frustration and doing something more enjoyable instead.

[Dstone5553]

the real problem with your rant dstone is this:

Weir probably screaming his ass

he can't do that anymore and you know me, that 4 pack to close looks bigger than anything in this world, plus a j.straw to open the set

How do you know? How do you know he wasn't stomping his feet, doing his hand gestures ("my name will be in lights saying Johnny B Goode tonight!") and playing like is was 1988? That list last night makes me think that's exactly what he MIGHT have been doing. If you were there, you might be telling us just that--that you haven't seen Bob play and sing like that in a long, long time.

Yeah...I forgot the J Straw---I haven't really even looked at the whole show cause those last 4 are the only songs I really see.

[Dstone5553]

i am going to hold judgement on this whole thing until i see them which won't be until rcmh, but i am sorry, as good as jk, phil and bobby playing is, they will not be able to best the collective unit that is dso

There's no way you get a show closer like the one last night.

You f'up up not going.

[Dstone5553]

My thoughts on tonight's show were more on the negative not because of that giant Weir ender... I love Bob. but because of things such as...

Jack Straw

I have nothing to say about that Vincent. J Straw in one of the greatest songs in the GD world and to open a second set--it was probably pretty big.

I just don't know what to tell you about this buddy.

And I'm sorry, everybody, for going on and on and on like this.

[gr8fulauditors]

I'm confused though. Did we not all see what went down in Oakland? I mean...I had different expectations for this too but as soon as the second song on Fri at the Fox, when they played The Wheel and Weir took the vocals, I realized how stupid I had been. I remember literally bending over in a kind of pain and some friends laughing at me. If I didn't have them holding me back, I would have walked out after that first set. I wanted to walk out. That Althea in the second set made me glad I didn't.

My point is that we already KNOW the deal here people! I'm not sure what in the hell people are thinking is going to happen. We already know that they are not going to trade off Weir/Garica--Weir/Garcia like some of us had hoped, with the occasional bob take on a Jerry song. Right? Or were some of you hoping this would be the case after seeing all the evidence in the world against it in that weekend at Oakland and at Fairfax? Is it that two days ago, John played his first public Reuben and Doin That Rag as well as a Dire Wolf and a Scarlet>Fire and people thought to themselves "Oh boy...Bob has learned a lesson here and this whole thing is going to be different now. He's now going to be letting John sing half of the material or at least much, much more material? If so, then shame on you because that's more stupid than I was with my silly expectations going into the Fox.

There was a moment two days ago when Bob was singing Cold Rain and apparently he didn't know the next verse and John came to the resuce by jumping in and saving the day. Who knows...after about 15 shows, maybe Weir might ask John to sing a little more material on his own, but it's never going to be what many of us hoped. OK? That makes sense, right? So it seems pretty clear to me (after that first show in Oakland) that either we change our expectations or we just stay away. I barely made it to the Sat Fox show. I think many people on here would be doing themselves a solid by staying away from seeing any Furthur shows.

I remember being the first person on here to admonish Bob Weir for singing Garcia ballads and at the same time, calling myself out knowing how dumb and unfair it was for me to ask of him this--I argued that it was an unjust world that would allow Bob Weir to sing Black Peter or Standing on the Moon or whatever. Last night, after dinner with friends, I go to see the list they did and my eyes almost pop out. Bob Weir playing a Satisfaction with Phil in New York City! And on top of that, he had John playing guitar!! John slamming those chords behind Bob's vocals and Phil's bass! Then I see that he played Let It Grow AFTER the Satisfaction---again with Phil Lesh. Again with John---I'm guessing you get the point here. Then I see that he played the first Furthur Suger Mag AFTER the Grow! The first Suger Mags with a truly great guitarist behind him in a long time (in my opinion). You can't tell me that didn't rip the hell out of that place. Then they play a Johnny encore?

I've seen hundreds of GD shows and I know that Weir isn't one to give us great stuff like this, all in a row. He has to play something lame---the usual story is that Garcia would be playing gems like Duprees, To Lay Me down and a Might as Well in a first set and all Bob had to answer with, was a Rooster, Masterpiece and a some cowboys. For him to play those songs to end that show, a show that began with probably a great Stranger into a great Deal, sung by JK--it's a big deal for heads like me and my friends. I don't even know what else they played off the bat--I know there was a Birdsong by Bob and Phil, which is a very painful experience to go through--I know there was an UJB by them, which isn't that much better, and the new Phil song but none of that matters when you look at the Bob Fest (not at MSG this time) that ended this show.

I remember touring and seeing many people who pretty much hated Bobby and I understood it--I get that there are people who don't like him but what I don't get is why in the hell these people are even thinking about going to see this band. I don't get that at all. I can't understand anyone who doesn't look at the lists of the last two show and isn't saying to themselves,,,"Wow!" A debutt of Reuben and Rag with a Truckin>Dire Wolf (JK) to start one show and a Stranger>Deal (JK) to start another and a full John Scarlet>Fire and a Sat>Grow>Sugar to close last night!" I get it that other people may see things very differently than my friends and I, but my thing here is that if you are not impressed by the last two nights of lists, I think it's a waste of your time to go see this band.

Now, I wasn't there and have only heard some of this stuff over the internet so there is a chance, if I had been there, for me to come away saying "I know that on paper, this looks insane but it really wasn't. John didn't get a chance to play his thing for any of those great songs." But I highly doubt that's the case. I don't think Weir is going to do anything like that Satisfaction>Grow>Sugar/Johnny again this year..he'll have to throw in a NFA, or a GDTRFB or anything else that makes it not as good as whay he did last night. I'm hoping, as much if not much more than anyone, that John gets to sing the Stella and the Dew and the Rat and the Standing and the Doll and throw in some first set ballads like Roads and High Time and To Lay Me Down. If they you put any of those second set biggies towards the end of a show, it just gets exponentially better. I have no idea what the lists are going to be but I do know that the rules were set in Oakland and we all got a chance to learn them real quick and those rules aren't changing.

Maybe people are like "whoa...can't believe David is going so nuts over a couple Bob songs to close a show and with not a single John song..." but this was a big deal what happened last night for anyone who loved the GD--all of the GD. Bob and Phil were a big part of that band and Garcia has been gone for a long time. For Bob to play that stuff with Phil and finally, someone like John behind him, IS a big deal.

Anyone can disagree but, like I've said way too many times already, it is my opinion that you would be doing yourself a favor by not attending these shows, thereby saving your time, money and frustration and doing something more enjoyable instead.

Grate minds think alike brother....

[VincentPuleo]

I have nothing to say about that Vincent. J Straw in one of the greatest songs in the GD world and to open a second set--it was probably pretty big.

I just don't know what to tell you about this buddy.

And I'm sorry, everybody, for going on and on and on like this.

DStone, you are misunderstanding me...

I wrote that to display that after what was probably an amazing Jack Straw... musically one of the more beautiful Grateful Dead songs (genius songwriting)... Bob had to sing the Wheel. That is where my confusion lies... that after closing the first set, opening the second and closing half the second set. John could not sing The Wheel. I can understand Bob singing Days Between more then this. It just didn't seem to make much sense. But as I said I believe this will get better and better.

But as I said I am with you, I am not one to complain about Phil and Bob singing other songs... I enjoyed Days Between the other night from listening. If was at last nights show I wouldn't even care because the music is just so good! I will be trying to go to as many Furthur shows as possible. Just curious of the motive for these things when they know what John can do... being it emotional, feeling protective of the songs..

[acududeman]

I'm confused though. Did we not all see what went down in Oakland? I mean...I had different expectations for this too but as soon as the second song on Fri at the Fox, when they played The Wheel and Weir took the vocals, I realized how stupid I had been. I remember literally bending over in a kind of pain and some friends laughing at me. If I didn't have them holding me back, I would have walked out after that first set. I wanted to walk out. That Althea in the second set made me glad I didn't.

My point is that we already KNOW the deal here people! I'm not sure what in the hell people are thinking is going to happen. We already know that they are not going to trade off Weir/Garica--Weir/Garcia like some of us had hoped, with the occasional bob take on a Jerry song. Right? Or were some of you hoping this would be the case after seeing all the evidence in the world against it in that weekend at Oakland and at Fairfax? Is it that two days ago, John played his first public Reuben and Doin That Rag as well as a Dire Wolf and a Scarlet>Fire and people thought to themselves "Oh boy...Bob has learned a lesson here and this whole thing is going to be different now. He's now going to be letting John sing half of the material or at least much, much more material? If so, then shame on you because that's more stupid than I was with my silly expectations going into the Fox.

There was a moment two days ago when Bob was singing Cold Rain and apparently he didn't know the next verse and John came to the resuce by jumping in and saving the day. Who knows...after about 15 shows, maybe Weir might ask John to sing a little more material on his own, but it's never going to be what many of us hoped. OK? That makes sense, right? So it seems pretty clear to me (after that first show in Oakland) that either we change our expectations or we just stay away. I barely made it to the Sat Fox show. I think many people on here would be doing themselves a solid by staying away from seeing any Furthur shows.

I remember being the first person on here to admonish Bob Weir for singing Garcia ballads and at the same time, calling myself out knowing how dumb and unfair it was for me to ask of him this--I argued that it was an unjust world that would allow Bob Weir to sing Black Peter or Standing on the Moon or whatever. Last night, after dinner with friends, I go to see the list they did and my eyes almost pop out. Bob Weir playing a Satisfaction with Phil in New York City! And on top of that, he had John playing guitar!! John slamming those chords behind Bob's vocals and Phil's bass! Then I see that he played Let It Grow AFTER the Satisfaction---again with Phil Lesh. Again with John---I'm guessing you get the point here. Then I see that he played the first Furthur Suger Mag AFTER the Grow! The first Suger Mags with a truly great guitarist behind him in a long time (in my opinion). You can't tell me that didn't rip the hell out of that place. Then they play a Johnny encore?

I've seen hundreds of GD shows and I know that Weir isn't one to give us great stuff like this, all in a row. He has to play something lame---the usual story is that Garcia would be playing gems like Duprees, To Lay Me down and a Might as Well in a first set and all Bob had to answer with, was a Rooster, Masterpiece and a some cowboys. For him to play those songs to end that show, a show that began with probably a great Stranger into a great Deal, sung by JK--it's a big deal for heads like me and my friends. I don't even know what else they played off the bat--I know there was a Birdsong by Bob and Phil, which is a very painful experience to go through--I know there was an UJB by them, which isn't that much better, and the new Phil song but none of that matters when you look at the Bob Fest (not at MSG this time) that ended this show.

I remember touring and seeing many people who pretty much hated Bobby and I understood it--I get that there are people who don't like him but what I don't get is why in the hell these people are even thinking about going to see this band. I don't get that at all. I can't understand anyone who doesn't look at the lists of the last two show and isn't saying to themselves,,,"Wow!" A debutt of Reuben and Rag with a Truckin>Dire Wolf (JK) to start one show and a Stranger>Deal (JK) to start another and a full John Scarlet>Fire and a Sat>Grow>Sugar to close last night!" I get it that other people may see things very differently than my friends and I, but my thing here is that if you are not impressed by the last two nights of lists, I think it's a waste of your time to go see this band.

Now, I wasn't there and have only heard some of this stuff over the internet so there is a chance, if I had been there, for me to come away saying "I know that on paper, this looks insane but it really wasn't. John didn't get a chance to play his thing for any of those great songs." But I highly doubt that's the case. I don't think Weir is going to do anything like that Satisfaction>Grow>Sugar/Johnny again this year..he'll have to throw in a NFA, or a GDTRFB or anything else that makes it not as good as whay he did last night. I'm hoping, as much if not much more than anyone, that John gets to sing the Stella and the Dew and the Rat and the Standing and the Doll and throw in some first set ballads like Roads and High Time and To Lay Me Down. If they you put any of those second set biggies towards the end of a show, it just gets exponentially better. I have no idea what the lists are going to be but I do know that the rules were set in Oakland and we all got a chance to learn them real quick and those rules aren't changing.

Maybe people are like "whoa...can't believe David is going so nuts over a couple Bob songs to close a show and with not a single John song..." but this was a big deal what happened last night for anyone who loved the GD--all of the GD. Bob and Phil were a big part of that band and Garcia has been gone for a long time. For Bob to play that stuff with Phil and finally, someone like John behind him, IS a big deal.

Anyone can disagree but, like I've said way too many times already, it is my opinion that you would be doing yourself a favor by not attending these shows, thereby saving your time, money and frustration and doing something more enjoyable instead.

DStone, it sounds like YOU missed the show of a lifetime........

[VincentPuleo]

Maybe people are like "whoa...can't believe David is going so nuts over a couple Bob songs to close a show and with not a single John song..." but this was a big deal what happened last night for anyone who loved the GD--all of the GD. Bob and Phil were a big part of that band and Garcia has been gone for a long time. For Bob to play that stuff with Phil and finally, someone like John behind him, IS a big deal.

Could not agree with you more.

[Guest crazy digits]

J.K. is simply a sideman and he will do what he's told ,what to play & when to sing .It's that simple .

Okay, I am going to say it because I can > JK was hired to try and fold DSO..WELL, It aint happening and Phil can put that in his pipe and smoke it...

[Erik]

Could not agree with you more.

3 Jerry tunes to close the 2nd set on 12-8, 3 Bobby tunes to close the 2nd on 12-9. interesting.

[Dstone5553]

DStone, it sounds like YOU missed the show of a lifetime........

Show of a lifetime? Not sure if that exists any longer ut how many times in my posts did I mention how much I would have loved to be there?

2 times?

3?

4?

[found]

I haven't really even looked at the whole show cause those last 4 are the only songs I really see.

I think you got some blinders on buddy. Although I agree with you that last nights ending must have been explosive, I also agree with vincent and many others that if they just gave John Wheel and UJB that second set as a whole would have killed it.

Stuck Inside wasn't anything near special, neither was good lovin. Bird Song was prolly the worst of the night. That First set could have been a lot better. And simply sharing the stage a little more in the second set would have turned a great second set into an AMAZING one.

I understand this is a Phil and Bobby band and I do expect on hearing them singin some tunes they shouldn't be. But as its been said, take the reins of JK and this will go Furthur. The Set just seemed off balance to me. To say this killed the first NYC night is ridiculous. The first night showed that they can do great things with John together. And i can tell they want to let him loose but they are still giving him time to really prove himself (which he has and will continue to do), gain trust, and adjust with this new line up.

I'm sure if i was there last night I would have had a blast (especially with that amazing closer), but not nearly as much as the night before because of the off balanceness of the sets, some lackluster songs, vocal choices. If you thought last night was historic, i suggest you reexamine the first night and put things in perspective. I think there are tons of great potential here and no matter what, i'll be enjoyin the ride. My 2 cents.

[VincentPuleo]

It is interesting... may tomorrow it will be...

Pride Of Cucamonga>Donor Rap>Passenger>Box Of Rain>Donor Rap Reprise

[Muddy Waters]

Okay, I am going to say it because I can > JK was hired to try and fold DSO..WELL, It aint happening and Phil can put that in his pipe and smoke it.

You clearly have been putting something in your pipe and smoking it.....

And there was a second shot coming from the grassy knoll when Kennedy was shot.....

That is ridiculous.....But indeed you are entitled to your opinion..

[Dstone5553]

I think you got some blinders on buddy. Although I agree with you that last nights ending must have been explosive, I also agree with vincent and many others that if they just gave John Wheel and UJB that second set as a whole would have killed it.

Stuck Inside wasn't anything near special, neither was good lovin. Bird Song was prolly the worst of the night. That First set could have been a lot better. And simply sharing the stage a little more in the second set would have turned a great second set into an AMAZING one.

I understand this is a Phil and Bobby band and I do expect on hearing them singin some tunes they shouldn't be. But as its been said, take the reins of JK and this will go Furthur. The Set just seemed off balance to me. To say this killed the first NYC night is ridiculous. The first night showed that they can do great things with John together. And i can tell they want to let him loose but they are still giving him time to really prove himself (which he has and will continue to do), gain trust, and adjust with this new line up.

I'm sure if i was there last night I would have had a blast (especially with that amazing closer), but not nearly as much as the night before because of the off balanceness of the sets, some lackluster songs, vocal choices. If you thought last night was historic, i suggest you reexamine the first night and put things in perspective. I think there are tons of great potential here and no matter what, i'll be enjoyin the ride. My 2 cents.

That's my point! I have blinders on and the way they closed the show would have made me forget in a heartbeat the birdsong and ujb and wheel. That is my ENTIRE point.

And the people i've talked with said that night two was on a differnt level than night one. You are talking to the choir regarding taking the reigns off John man but now it's about the way they play and if John is able to play lead the way he can--not about singing. We already know he's not going to sing an awful lot. We know that. Don't go if you are hoping for something else cause you are only going to be let down.

It's now about whether John is going to be able to play 2 or even 3 solos on Fire (he won't get 3) but Jeff will do a good one--whether John is going to be able to improvise and LEAD Bob and Phil--I don't know if this will be the case but last niight was not about that--it was probably about John ripping a solo in Stranger and Deal and Straw and that satisfaction and doing some great stuff on Grow and letting it all go on Sugar Mags and then taking that johnny solo and bringing the place down.