mikebiz Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 They got a Rueben & Cherise. Sweet. Looks like Bob is mucking up the works quite a bit unfortunately. I wish he would just let John do his thing. Egos are tough to crack I guess. I heard a Ratdog version of Franklin's Tower this morning on Sirius. The song was butchered by Bob's interpretation of the vocals. It's clear he doesn't care what the fans want. Anyway, I digress. This is from Glidemagazine.com Furthur December 8, 2009 Hamerstein Ballroom NYC, NY Set 1: Jam >Truckin’ >Dire Wolf (JK), Doin’ That Rag (JK), Ramble On Rose (BW & JK), Reuben & Cerise (JK), Looks Like Rain, Cosmic Charlie (PL & BW) Set 2: King Solomon’s Marbles, He’s Gone (JK & BW), New Potato Caboose,The Other One, Days Between (BW), Scarlet Begonias (BW & JK) > Fire On The Mountain (JK) > Cold Rain and Snow (BW & JK) Encore: Touch of Grey (BW & JK) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mind Of A Squirrel Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 They got a Rueben & Cherise. Sweet. Looks like Bob is mucking up the works quite a bit unfortunately. I wish he would just let John do his thing. Egos are tough to crack I guess. I heard a Ratdog version of Franklin's Tower this morning on Sirius. The song was butchered by Bob's interpretation of the vocals. It's clear he doesn't care what the fans want. Anyway, I digress. I think that what it will take for Bobby to give up some of those Jerry tunes is for him to somehow rediscover other songs he used to love to sing. Dig deep for some of that Dylan stuff maybe. It's just that he's become accustomed to playing/singing these other songs over the last 15 years or so, changing the arrangements to some, etc. Maybe comfort-level as much as ego... As time goes by with this band, they will probably shift things around a bit hopefully, and we'll begin to hear arrangements that are a little less 'Rat-doggy'... I doubt they will move backwards with any of it though. It's possible though after hearing that Let It Grow from Oakland. Sounded as if it were '88. I'm just gonna go into this with an open mind and try not to forget what a rare opportunity it is to see these guys again like this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebiz Posted December 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I agree that this iteration has massive potential. I just don't think Bob should inject himself into songs that John K has nailed down and sings with such conviction. John is not Jerry. We all know that and that's not what I'm looking for personally. Basically it comes down to the fact that the Garcia/Hunter songs sound better, IMO, when sung by someone, anyone in the arrangement, not style, that Jerry provided. I wouldn't really care if Bob sang them in that manner, but his interpretations are just off the wall. His vocal arrangement drastically alters the beauty and fluidity of those tunes. His use of this choppy cadence to make the songs more to his liking just doesn't do it for me. I'll bet that if you asked the band you would get similar responses. It's got to be difficult to play songs you know a certain way with a vocalist who wants to throw the lyrics around as he pleases. This is just an opinion. I'm sure there are many in my camp and some in the other camp. But this opinion in no way takes away from the excitement I'm feeling to see the band this weekend. Just looking for "a real good time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ammagamalin Crew Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 They got a Rueben & Cherise. Sweet. Looks like Bob is mucking up the works quite a bit unfortunately. I wish he would just let John do his thing. Egos are tough to crack I guess. I heard a Ratdog version of Franklin's Tower this morning on Sirius. The song was butchered by Bob's interpretation of the vocals. It's clear he doesn't care what the fans want. Anyway, I digress.This is from Glidemagazine.com Furthur December 8, 2009 Hamerstein Ballroom NYC, NY Set 1: Jam >Truckin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Johnny sang Reuben !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP John A Posted December 9, 2009 Forum MVP Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Looks like JK is getting some vocal nods there. Better than in Oakland, that's for sure. On paper, the Weir led Days Between looks like the only egregious violation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Bluebird Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 i don't think bobby taking the jerry tunes is about ego so much as protection. i may be projecting, but i think they recognize these songs, especially the hunter/garcia tunes, as being sacred. bobby's not going to turn them over until he's sure they're in good hands. i think phil's motivation may be the same. i would guess they would be relieved to fnd someone they can trust. and john is a man of integrity. they're trusting him so much already. (blissful sigh...) thank god phil is able to give his larynx a rest. (we love you phil! but concentrate on your blitzkriegs, please.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP HelpSlip Posted December 9, 2009 Forum MVP Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 omg Jk did Reuben&Cherise jeeeesus christ the first show after he resigns from dso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subcooler Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 omg Jk did Reuben&Cherise jeeeesus christ the first show after he resigns from dso Torin, It was sweet indeed-It made the overcrowded floor seem like heaven momentarily! Peace, Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP VincentPuleo Posted December 9, 2009 Forum MVP Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Must we complain of Bobby singing certain songs the whole tour? embrace this.. John with Bob and Phil not to mention Jeff, Jay, and Joe.. I am not trying to do the overly positive "smile, smile, smile" thing, I understand being critical but think of Oakland... in terms of singing and playing this has turned into something great. this is better then I imagined for the first show.. The setlists are awesome, John is singing songs solo... songs like Rueben & Cherise for that matter. It is a beautiful thing. When Bob sings Days Between do you really think it is about ego? The man has nothing to prove... I think it is quite clear there is an emotional factor when it comes to these things. They know how special John is and wouldn't have created this band out of the blue if that wasn't true. This show, if anything has gotten me even more excited for Friday than I already was.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP John A Posted December 9, 2009 Forum MVP Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 i don't think bobby taking the jerry tunes is about ego so much as protection. i may be projecting, but i think they recognize these songs, especially the hunter/garcia tunes, as being sacred. bobby's not going to turn them over until he's sure they're in good hands. i think phil's motivation may be the same. If you heard Jackie Green with Phil & Friends sing Standing On The Moon last year at the Sweetwater Station in Larkspur you might not feel that way about "Phil's motivation". It was horribly painful to witness. Almost as if JG had never heard the song before, which was probably just as Phil wanted it to be. No reference point, just make it your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDad Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I gotta admit, Bobby's opening lines and the "Smile smile smile" verse he did on He's Gone from last night didn't do anything for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Waters Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 No Covers last night... Interesting....I think that's a mistake..need to mix it up a bit more.....but listening to the tape.. Kadcelick's guitar work is extremely and I mean extremely impressive.. No big suprise..but he is simply a virtuoso guitar player... If he did not sing a single note..he is by far the best guitar player in this genre to collaborate with Bob and Phil.. And I love them all..Warren, Jimmy, Kimmock...Just think John is better spefically as it relates to improv.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP VincentPuleo Posted December 9, 2009 Forum MVP Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Couldn't agree more about John... Cold Rain & Snow is an old traditional song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP John A Posted December 9, 2009 Forum MVP Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 No Covers last night...Interesting....I think that's a mistake..need to mix it up a bit more..... All Furthur shows thus far have included a max of one or so covers. So it seems this is their shtick. And there is certainly no shortage of A-list original material to draw from, so why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonomajon Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 No Covers last night...Interesting....I think that's a mistake..need to mix it up a bit more.....but listening to the tape.. Kadcelick's guitar work is extremely and I mean extremely impressive.. No big suprise..but he is simply a virtuoso guitar player... If he did not sing a single note..he is by far the best guitar player in this genre to collaborate with Bob and Phil.. And I love them all..Warren, Jimmy, Kimmock...Just think John is better spefically as it relates to improv.... Huh?...with the Grateful Dead catalog as wide and varied as it is you are bemoaning the fact they didn't play other peoples tunes? Jeff is MONSTER on the keys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Waters Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Huh?...with the Grateful Dead catalog as wide and varied as it is you are bemoaning the fact they didn't play other peoples tunes? Yes and I include in this the songs that the Grateful Dead did that were covers, including Dylan, the Beatles, Merle Haggard etc.. Just my opinion..Everyone has one..I'm sure we will see some as time goes on.. I would also like to see something completely out of the box like John throwing in one of his own originals or perhaps a cover that has never been done before..... And this is shocking but perhaps a new instrumental piece... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 http://www.archive.org/details/furthur2009...210.psp3.flac16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ammagamalin Crew Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 http://www.archive.org/details/furthur2009...210.psp3.flac16 Listening to the show now and it is much better than any Phil or Bobby project I've heard in years. Maybe we have another spring/summer of 1985 heading our way in 2010? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanAY Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 I don't know if it's audible on all the sources, but in the one I have, you can hear some guy yelling "NOOOOOOOOO!" when Bobby starts singing "He's Gone." I personally don't care too much about the "Who Sings What" debate, but that was priceless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum MVP VincentPuleo Posted December 9, 2009 Forum MVP Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 hahaha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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